Urgent. Kombi died in Alice Springs. Help.

snifter Slammed & Awesome Dubber

98 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 28 Aug 2005, 4:26 pm

#401891

Dam it!!! My wife and I have been towed the last 100ks to Alice by the RAVC. I need to find a garage that can find the fault and fix it. What do you recomend? Any good garages?

The problem is. Fully recon 2l dual carb. No flaps or t stat.
New temp guage and dip stick sender. 10 000ks of no problems. loaded up and left Melbourne. Temp guage looked to high. About 110oc oil temp. Thought it was weight and kept an eye on it. Went up to about 120oc on flat with 10oc airtemp. All airflow is good. tin ware cool to tough after 100ks at 80 kph. No smoke, no noise. Called a few mechanics who both said. Crappy guages no way would it get that hot. (100oc in 5 ks at 80 kph) pull it out and just drive.

I got more worried and in the end boiled water and sat guage in it. 95oc!!!!!. Had topped up oil in morning and for the first time half a litre had gone???? No real sign of it.

What am I up against. If you are in Alice and can help or know who can. Let me know asap.

regards

Philip

lugnuts Custom Title Time!

1,070 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 28 Aug 2005, 4:30 pm

#401893

Soooo its still running but its getting too hot is that it.

lugnuts Custom Title Time!

1,070 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 28 Aug 2005, 4:34 pm

#401896

Check the timing at max advance,got a strobe light.

snifter Slammed & Awesome Dubber

98 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 28 Aug 2005, 4:43 pm

#401897

It is still runnig. But was worried about the motor. I have no strobe and few tools. It was suggested the vacuum advance on the Distributor could be cactus? I had a look and the nipple on the distributor is loose. What do you think?

76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 28 Aug 2005, 9:08 pm

#402031

theres a few things that can make ur engine run really hot, super high compression/ too far advanced timing and carbs too lean. If you have a vw manual you can figure out how adjust all these.

here is a link to doing your timing, http://type2.com/bartnik/timing.htm

and one for adjusting ur carbs http://type2.com/library/fuel/dualsol.htm

so what you want to do is make your car run richer and retard the timing a bit. And if ur still haveing probs then let us know...

http://www.bytevision.com.au/dee/kombi/index.htm

Desert Bug Wolfsburg Wizard

687 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 28 Aug 2005, 11:56 pm

#402078

G'day Philip,
Check your other thread. When I drove my '77 2lt camper to Gove (top r/h NT) in '97 it was running at 130 degrees most of the way through the Center and 140 degrees accross Arnhemland, was told to throw the gauge away and stop worrying (I didn't on either count) and we made back home to Bendigo (Vic) ok. I did a bit of research while at Gove and was told by the Oil Comp Tech people that the flashpoint of most oils inside the motor is around 220 degrees.
Make sure you use an oil with an S factor higher than H, eg: SH, SJ etc. Under H the oil doesn't have the abillity to absorb heat enough therefore will run hotter. Never use noname brands which are SG or lower.
Hope you get it sorted so you can continue to see this Great Country.
Cheers, Ian.

Excentric (wife says) VW nut, having owned 250+ VWs in 40 years.

ACE_76

Former member · 29 Aug 2005, 12:20 am

#402081

So what is the actual problem? Engine Temp. as indicated by oil temp. can be all over the place. I have seen oil temps from 60C to 140C (on highway) in various engines in good running condition, with variation largely due to air temperature. I've run to 140C oil temp in a Fastback and up to 130C in a beetle with no harm done. The gauge is good beacause it makes you slow down before destroying motor, but also makes you worry. Is the MOTOR really hot?

If vac. advance nipple? is loose could be causing loss of advance, or vacuum leak, both of which will cause overheating. May be poss. to use silicone sealant to fix leak. Tightening valves may also cause progressively hotter running. I've had them tighten up to "no" clearance on long trips, esp. with car that has not been used for long trips... Should be checked. Yes, never use "no-name" oils whether SG or anything.

kombikim disfunctionally capable

1,521 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 29 Aug 2005, 8:34 am

#402122

having been in you situation (but with more tools) I would be checking that all four plug colours match, I would also check valve clearances & that the vac advance is not leaking, to check on that, pull dissie cap off, watching points suck as hard as you can on vac hose & points should move around a bit, stick tip of you tongue over end of hose to seal in vacuum & points should not return to original position unless diaphram is leaking.

Please, I need drivers side window regulator (winder mechanism) for my '54

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 29 Aug 2005, 8:46 am

#402130

Also check that those rubber boots on the manifold are not cracked and causing the thing to lean out

Futue te ipsum!!!

General_Failure Use your head, don't abuse it!

1,036 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 29 Aug 2005, 10:10 am

#402152

An engine full of cracked rings can do it too, but I guess not many other people have that poblem. It'd be accompanied with a truly gutless drive too.
The temp seems warm but reasonable to me.

If at first you don't succeed. Build, build again.
Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based LCA pop-top camper. Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002.

snifter Slammed & Awesome Dubber

98 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 30 Aug 2005, 10:49 am

#402484

Thanks for the help guys. I have had the whole exterior stripped down and nothing is wrong. Guage is 5 0c out, timming and vacuum good. No noise, can turn it over by hand, oil cooler not blocked, all tin ware and seals tip top, oil pressure valve free, ETC. The motor is only 11,000 ks from full rebuild and has had all the service I can throw at it. The carbs have been stripped and serviced, infact, since I got the van over $7000 has been spent on the motor and running gear. Might be time to call it quits and sell or just plow on. 3 years of planning and we got no where. Bad Luck?

squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 30 Aug 2005, 11:00 am

#402490

So you're saying that you hit 120c yet Dessert Bug is saying he cruised with it at 130c.....so maybe you've got no problem at all???? I know when you do these sorts of trips that you worry about things a little more, especially if you breakdown in the middle of nowhere....but maybe she actually running fine???

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 30 Aug 2005, 12:25 pm

#402500

Does it SMALL hot???

If a motor is cooking inside it will smell hot.

Have just re-read a couple of times your post.
If i get it - at the moment the problem is the gauge is reading high???

Do you have a pressure gauge?
Can the mechanic put a pressure gauge on??
Does the motor have decent pressure at idle??

What weight oil are you running?? 30 weight??
Is the oil too thick??

Futue te ipsum!!!

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 30 Aug 2005, 12:44 pm

#402503

Credit to you for 'looking out' for your engine but 120 degrees C on modern oils is NO PROBLEM! It is routine, normal, for VW engines. You have checked everything and found no blocked air ways, fan is working etc etc... Pack up and go! Enjoy your trip!

Pay your debts, CxxT

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 30 Aug 2005, 3:58 pm

#402558

Hi Snifer,
I can understand the situation your in, I did a round Oz trip last year.
I'm not sure you've really answered some of the questions above.
Other than the oil temps has the motor had ANY other problems, change in fuel economy, lack of power, hard to start, hesitation at any engine speeds etc????
ANY thing else about the motor (other than oil temp gauge) that is different to when you left home??

Some more details may help others to narrow down if there are any likely causes to what you see. As Bizarre say's, be nice to know oil pressure at idle once the oil is hot?? (does your oil light ever come on??)

I know with my kombi (2L dual carb) I found just like Desert Bug the oil ran quite hot during my trip. Partly due to the weight I was carrying and also due to the air temps of the day. I was not stressed to see temps up to 130C.
As has been mentioned above, use a good oil, and change a little more regularly if you run temps that high. If there are no other problems evident (loss of ecomony/power etc) enjoy your trip!!
🙂

mnsKmobi Wolfsburg Wizard

589 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 31 Aug 2005, 1:34 pm

#402868

Check this out! (From http://www.bus-boys.com/bbvdo.htm#tempoil)

"Dipstick Senders are not recommended for the Type 4 style engines (72-83) as they are not long enough to reach into the case to accurately inform you of both the oil temperature and correct oil level. In addition, our experience has been when using a Dipstick Sender that it can be very inaccurate (reading temp too high)."

Hmm. Toss gauge keep driving sounds like the way to go. Try a cylinder head temperature gauge instead. I have a CHT gauge which has alerted me to a number of problems such as timing too advanced and a vacuum leak.

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 31 Aug 2005, 1:43 pm

#402871

Strange comment? VDO sell a number of different length dip stick's, you then adjust where the tip (measuring part) sits in the oil. Set right it actually ends up in the same position as one mounted into the sump plate on a type 4. Can't see how this is less acurate then?

mnsKmobi wrote:Check this out! (From http://www.bus-boys.com/bbvdo.htm#tempoil)

"Dipstick Senders are not recommended for the Type 4 style engines (72-83) as they are not long enough to reach into the case to accurately inform you of both the oil temperature and correct oil level. In addition, our experience has been when using a Dipstick Sender that it can be very inaccurate (reading temp too high)."

mnsKmobi Wolfsburg Wizard

589 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 31 Aug 2005, 4:06 pm

#402903

Andy wrote:Strange comment? VDO sell a number of different length dip stick's, you then adjust where the tip (measuring part) sits in the oil. Set right it actually ends up in the same position as one mounted into the sump plate on a type 4. Can't see how this is less acurate then?

mnsKmobi wrote:Check this out! (From http://www.bus-boys.com/bbvdo.htm#tempoil)

"Dipstick Senders are not recommended for the Type 4 style engines (72-83) as they are not long enough to reach into the case to accurately inform you of both the oil temperature and correct oil level. In addition, our experience has been when using a Dipstick Sender that it can be very inaccurate (reading temp too high)."

I wasn't aware of the different length senders (and neither were BusBoys it would appear). However, it still could be the problem in this case as we don't know the dimensions of the sender Snifter is using.

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,476 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 31 Aug 2005, 4:48 pm

#402911

i use one on my t4 engine and it reaches the sump easy and they can be adjusted to match the gauge ill be doing this when i put mine back together to ensure the accuracy

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Twokombies Seriously Crusin Dubber

193 posts · joined Jul 2005 · 31 Aug 2005, 5:12 pm

#402920

Look up Volkswagen in the local phone directory and get the mechanic to give it the once over. A compression test will tell you a lot about the interior of the motor. Maybe you are jumping the gun with getting rid of it. If you have invested & thousand + bucks a few more is not going to give you much of a headache.
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