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t2 stop taking life so serious

1,102 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#426949
dont really want to buy dropped spindles as yet so how do you lower the front of a super bug, it has the coils over the front shocks, can you use adjusters or is there another method, also wanting to narrow the front end any good how tos to read
t2
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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#426953
the front end cant be narrowed to my knowledge but the best way to lower a sbug is the struts from v force its ether that or maxx struts both are adjust able
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squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#426959
You can have the cups on the struts relocated which will give you a drop. This is the cheaper option short of spending the big bucks. I've done it to my Super and have a 3 inch drop, with no issues, but still retain standard travel. It's not the best option, but a good $$ saver. Are you in Sydney?

beerdoc Insano Dub Head

838 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#426960
I agree with barls but I could not afford Vforce struts and it was a daily for my daughter

What I did was use early golf struts and outers and adapt spring cones to them 2" drop and same ride

Still running 165s with a little rubbing and looking to try 155s

Keep in mind the smaller the spring diameter the harsher the ride

Hope this helps

Oh ye this was on 2 blot late type super
Cheers Doc

reVOLKS at Fyansford Geelong
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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#426963
i didnt and still dont have the money for the struts so im doing the cup method as well
“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#426965
Read here

http://www.clubvw.org.au/struts.htm

visit here

http://www.beetleracing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_24

As for narrowing beams it is not necessary / possible.

By putting narrowed springs on and getting the correct offset wheels it is possible to get 8" or 9" x 17" under stock guards

Snotty the green beetle on the V Foce site has these wheels

Pick the wheels you want and check the offset to see if you need the thinner springs.

Generally any wheel wider than 5.5" that FITS under stock guards will need thinner springs

Best way is to come over and see some Supers at Mortlake (V Force) Mine is a 2 bolt set up and Snotty is a 3 bolter. There is a selection of wheels they could show you

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beerdoc Insano Dub Head

838 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#426966
Nice one squizy but be careful you dont lose tha initial soft dampening(first part of travel ) of the strut that would put you in the mid range straight away

If that makes any sense

I suffer thinking quicker than I can Type Doh
Cheers Doc

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beerdoc Insano Dub Head

838 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#426969
Got to love those Vforce struts
Cheers Doc

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#426972
beerdoc wrote:Keep in mind the smaller the spring diameter the harsher the ride
I will be pedantic and correct this

It is not the smaller spring that makes the harsher ride it is the fact that V Force usually starts at 135 lbs

Stock is like 85lbs

You can get thin springed 85lbs (but why??:jesus)

Considering for under a grand you get lowered, new springs, inserts and space for wide wheels
Compare this to a narrowered beam with berg adjusters, extended shock towers and new shocks.
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#426975
By "just" lowering the cup you are "squashing" the stock insert.

You should put a shorter strut in at the same time
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#426978
Hi

You cant buy drop spindles for a super bug, the lower ball joint would hit the wheel.

As suggested above the adjustable struts are the way to go. Adjustable struts also use a smaller diameter spring to give more wheel & tyre clearance, you can narrow the front a little, it was done on the Acid Rush 75 that Vintage did, it was featrured in VMA a few issues ago. Using the adjustable struts with the smaller diameter springs they basically moved the strut tops inboard and shortened the lower control arms.

Steve

crewcabconnection Being Sid James

1,922 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#426982
Darren - can you get struts chromed or not?
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beerdoc Insano Dub Head

838 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#426984
Bizarre wrote:
beerdoc wrote:Keep in mind the smaller the spring diameter the harsher the ride
I will be pedantic and correct this

It is not the smaller spring that makes the harsher ride it is the fact that V Force usually starts at 135 lbs

Stock is like 85lbs

You can get thin springed 85lbs (but why??:jesus)

Considering for under a grand you get lowered, new springs, inserts and space for wide wheels
Compare this to a narrowered beam with berg adjusters, extended shock towers and new shocks.

Please correct me but my point was if the spring rates are the same which spring will be harsher large or small?
Cheers Doc

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#426993
Ok - you got me.

If the spring rate is the same i would not think there would be any difference.

Your move 🤪
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beerdoc Insano Dub Head

838 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#427006
PLease dont get me wrong. it was not like. that I am new to this stuff and like too learn and make sure I am not barking up the wrong tree

😘thumb:beer
Cheers Doc

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t2 stop taking life so serious

1,102 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#427032
:jesus will have to read these again tomorrow

so how much are the adjustable struts , would be fitting on myself if i go down that road
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t2 stop taking life so serious

1,102 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#427036
ccc dont need to bling up those dont think they will be seen , plenty of old school bling going onto it , lots of stuff that most likely shouldnt be on there from early beetles. and way to much chrome
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Jeza Officially Full-On Dubber

353 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#427094
1303Steve wrote:Hi

You cant buy drop spindles for a super bug, the lower ball joint would hit the wheel.

As suggested above the adjustable struts are the way to go. Adjustable struts also use a smaller diameter spring to give more wheel & tyre clearance, you can narrow the front a little, it was done on the Acid Rush 75 that Vintage did, it was featrured in VMA a few issues ago. Using the adjustable struts with the smaller diameter springs they basically moved the strut tops inboard and shortened the lower control arms.

Steve
Did just this exact same thing to my 1302 so I could fit the Cookie cutters with 944 single pot brakes under stock front guards(2 bolt arrangement).... the biggest issue I have with this is the amount of steering lock I've lost! Supers never had a very good turning circle to begin with! My recommendation if you are thinking you want to narrow the front a little would be to fit toplines camper + kit. If you have a 2 bolt super then you can pull the lower mount inwards to shorten the control arms, and correct your positive camber out at the strut to hub/spindle/ steering knuckle whatever you like to call this.

Don't get too caried away though as you only want to shorten the lower arm by the amount you can push the tops in by, or less.

Cheers
Jeremy

[ Edited on 9-11-2005 by Jeza ]
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#427109
The V Force struts are like $900 - $1000 depending on springs and inserts

He also does camber compensators.

Have a look at Egeworks ride. He has them
Will try and find the link

Fitting is like an hour a side stopping for beers. Dead easy
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squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#427161
Bizarre wrote:Fitting is like an hour a side stopping for beers. Dead easy
Gee that rings a bell mate. :P

T2 - Bazza will of course push that old fashioned German Look to you, with those funny big wheels that are really wide, and apparently give excellent handling. LOL :P:P

Me?....135's are the go!!! :thumb

Either way - it just depends on how much you want to spend. I got my cups lowered for $45 each, which was pretty good I thought. Give Andrew Dodd a call and he send them off and put them on.

[ Edited on 9-11-2005 by squizy ]

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#427169


T2 - Bazza will of course push that old fashioned German Look to you, with those funny big wheels that are really wide, and apparently give excellent handling. LOL :P:P

Me?....135's are the go!!! :thumb


Hi

I think you got it wrong, the German Look is the new look, the old look is Cal look. Cal look is inspired by drag racing, German look is inspired Auotbahn storming, Kafer cup & curcuit. As our streets have corners is a drag racing style the best way to go?

Steve

In the words of vujade from Germanlook.com

"German Look to me is the utilization of modern parts on our cherished old VW's. This could mean parts from Porsche, VW, Mercedes & even the aftermarket. I dont believe it it just limited to Porsche parts like some believe.

I dont think it should be limited to just one style either, it could include stripped out track ready cars & also modern looking streeters too.

Lets not turn the German Look into the cal look where we all have same retro look cars with BRM Rims, 135 Tires, turbo muffler & lowered more in the front then the rear!

Nothing against the Cal Look personally, I have been a fan for many years since the early 80's. But as of recently it has turned a bunch of homogenized cars with basically the same setup with different paint jobs! I remember a time when cal look meant anything from mono tone paint jobs to graphic paint jobs & everything in between."

squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#427173
1303Steve wrote:


T2 - Bazza will of course push that old fashioned German Look to you, with those funny big wheels that are really wide, and apparently give excellent handling. LOL :P:P

Me?....135's are the go!!! :thumb


Hi

I think you got it wrong, the German Look is the new look, the old look is Cal look. Cal look is inspired by drag racing, German look is inspired Auotbahn storming, Kafer cup & curcuit. As our streets have corners is a drag racing style the best way to go?

Steve

In the words of vujade from Germanlook.com

"German Look to me is the utilization of modern parts on our cherished old VW's. This could mean parts from Porsche, VW, Mercedes & even the aftermarket. I dont believe it it just limited to Porsche parts like some believe.

I dont think it should be limited to just one style either, it could include stripped out track ready cars & also modern looking streeters too.

Lets not turn the German Look into the cal look where we all have same retro look cars with BRM Rims, 135 Tires, turbo muffler & lowered more in the front then the rear!

Nothing against the Cal Look personally, I have been a fan for many years since the early 80's. But as of recently it has turned a bunch of homogenized cars with basically the same setup with different paint jobs! I remember a time when cal look meant anything from mono tone paint jobs to graphic paint jobs & everything in between."


Steve....my tongue is firmly in my cheek. I just know how much Barry loves the German Look.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#427188
[Steve....my tongue is firmly in my cheek. I just know how much Barry loves the German Look.
Hmmmmm..... usually it is my foot in my mouth :jesus
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beerdoc Insano Dub Head

838 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#427235
Bizarre wrote:
[Steve....my tongue is firmly in my cheek. I just know how much Barry loves the German Look.
Hmmmmm..... usually it is my foot in my mouth :jesus

THat makes 3 of us:beer
Cheers Doc

reVOLKS at Fyansford Geelong
20th OCT 2007 STAY TUNED FOR DETAILS

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#427360
Why are people so unkind to Barry?

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#427427
Because i turn up for beers on a Friday!! 😂



Just thought i would edit this to make it clear that this was a spiteful and mean shot at BOTH Squiz AND Steve.

Just to prove i am not bias towards anyone in particular........except GL Supers :P:P:P


:thumb:beer

[ Edited on 10-11-2005 by Bizarre ]
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squizy Thinking about another dub...maybe

4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#427449
LOL - touche - one all.