How do U fit an early bug dipper switch to a TIII?

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 25 Feb 2006, 7:55 pm

#459180

I need to get my early bargain Notch on the road. But the previous owner let the rego run out. The car has had some very suspect work done on it over the years (havent they all!), of which I have fixed most, but the dipper was wired through a toggle switch! Not very nice! The stock TIII item has burnt out and I cant get a new one... But I have to get the dipper working...

Soooo... I would like to fit an early bug dipper switch (the mounted on the firewall)
to my early Notch.... My question is...

How the heck would you wire something like this?

I have the 'S' wire sussed, but what should I do with the other 2 wires from the switch? Is one an 'earth'? So the other could be 'power'? Power from where? Which is which? Does it matter?

HELP!

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 26 Feb 2006, 10:16 am

#459265

What early model are you talking about? The up to 1963 with the lockable steering or the 64 on OZ built one? As a point of interest, there were a few 64 OZ built Type 3 vehicles which actually came out with the dipper switch as per Type I.

What is actually burnt out on your car? There are only contacts on the arm which can get dirty but doubtful if they actually burn out. Can you post a pic of the column you have in your car?

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 26 Feb 2006, 11:51 pm

#459393

Dont have any picks but I can tell you this....
My Notch is a late 60's model which I have been told is a 67, but I think it may actually be a little earlier (I havent actually looked up what year it is yet!).... In anycase, it is not the same as other very early TIII's I have owned in the past (my last 64 had a dipper on the firewall). There is no steering lock of any type but the ignition barrel is mounted along side the column as per the early models with out the steering lock. It is a factory 12 volter. The column switch is the type that is similar to the 60's bug model, but the dipper switch is a separate deal inside the indicator arm. You can see the 'S' wire that runs up to the switch and it is this wire that is cooked.

I have thought about this a bit today and feel that I will possibly disconnect the relay from the circuit all together and wire the firewall dipper (56, 56A and 56B) straight throught the fuse block as per the 6v system... But I have to figure out what the other wires going through the relay do and then make sure they keep on doing it, even though the headlights no longer use the relay...

I wonder....

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 27 Feb 2006, 4:47 am

#459410

There isn't anything attached to the "S" wire to really burn out but the contacts on the small button on the arm can get dirty with slight arcing over time. It is the earth wire to complete the circuit to toggle high/low. Undo the screw which holds it into the arm and polish the contacts with some very fine wet/dry paper. If the wire is "cooked" someone has hooked it to a terminal with power and there has been a dead short, but for whatever reason, take the arm off and put a new wire through and connect it to terminal "S".

Those firewall mounted dippers on the type 3 would have to be the most uncomfortable to get to! Leave it standard.

The link below should help. It is 6 volt but OZ Type 3 early 12 volt wiring was the same in this area. I think it was the 1968 year model in OZ which started the 12 volts here. A year earlier in Germany.

http://hem.passagen.se/vwtype3/type3.html

Select "wiring diagrams" and then " 1500 N 1964-1965"

[ Edited on 26/2/2006 by 1500S ]

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 27 Feb 2006, 11:56 am

#459488

Cheers for the heads up 1500S.... Ill have a look at it this arvo....
Hopefully I dont find any other surprises!
And I now what you are saying about the firewall mounted deals... The one on my little sisters notch is a pain!

By the way.... Aaron wants your S!

[ Edited on 27-2-2006 by humpty ]

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 27 Feb 2006, 3:11 pm

#459516

And tell Aaron he's not getting it.......... nor the one year only distributer on it, nor the NOS ign switch still in the box!

A mate had one of those N models of 1964 (in 1964!!) which had that switch and it was terrible to drive at night with the dipper so high. Can't remember if there was an actual mount point on the firewall now. It would have been the changeover model from the 63 to 64 and the OZ built ones had the Beetle indicator stalk without the dipper button so I guess they had to come up with something. The 63 model and "the real " 1500S model column was far neater than the agricultual one on the OZ built ones. Maybe we are a bit biased!

DH

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 27 Feb 2006, 6:17 pm

#459556

I had a look at my sisters Notch and there isn't a mount for the dipper...
It looks to be just an arbitrary addition... I have actualy seen them mounted in different spots! My old Square had it mounted between the drain pipes and my sisters is along side them!... Maybe it something to do with the size of the foot and the length of the leg of the guy at the factory installing the component!
But my brothers old 'push button' Notch had it on the column!!!
Also noticed the variation in pedal assemblies too! Most notably the distance between clutch and brake pedals...
Strange!!!

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 27 Feb 2006, 9:18 pm

#459611

Well D... It didn't work.... I pulled the unit and attempted to repair it, but Im sad to report that not only the wires were fried, the actual switch button was toast too! I attempted to get the toggle action to work smoothly after repairing the wires, but she's a no go! 😢

So CIP1 has gotten some more bux out of me!!!

Doh!

Thanks for the tip, but its a shame it couldnt be saved....

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 28 Feb 2006, 8:05 am

#459683

There is a spare one here if you can't get one locally. Let me know and I'll drop it in the post for you.

DH

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 28 Feb 2006, 10:59 am

#459726

Cheers Dallas.... but I ordered some extra stuff I needed from Cip1 at the same time...
I ordered 100Aus bux worth o gear and it cost me 60aus bux in freight! but it well be here in a week... So no biggy!

Cheers for the offer though!

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 28 Feb 2006, 3:39 pm

#459759

I'll have to get Aaron to badger you to put a standard dipper switch in! Let me know if you still want it as it's free. It is only the little button bit which you can feed back through the holes in the stalk. If the relay is dead there are plenty around from other models which will work you could pick up locally over there..

DH

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 28 Feb 2006, 9:31 pm

#459887

I am gonna put a stock one back in.... just a new one.... CIP1 sell a SWF replacement... They list it for bug and ghia, but the ad also says it has a dipper in it...
So it must be the same as the TIII model... But of course it will be in ivory colour... no big thing... Ive taken a gamble on it being correct... If it isn't, then Ill drop you a line!

Cheers once again Dallas for all your help....

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