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nicole Commited Dubber

62 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#498065
what is anyones opinion on putting in a new engine in a beetle or doing a reco. and what would be your suggestion as the best opition?

[ Edited on 7-6-2006 by nicole ]

bond Veteran Volks Folk

2,456 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#498070
where abouts are you in bris nicole?

nick

nicole Commited Dubber

62 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#498074
ipswich

ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#498080
the main factor in getting a motor is cost??????????
ive had new and reco both have been good.
it all depends and how much money u have?????????:o
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nicole Commited Dubber

62 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#498082
yeah i have had a few quote to install a new twin port ranging from $2300 to $3000

ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#498088
http://www.cbbvw.com/engines.html
here are a few motors, cost vary ,also u have to take into account what esle is in need of replacing on the motor.eg
carby, exhaust, engine bay seals,it all adds up very quickly
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Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter

2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·

#498116
mackaymanx wrote:I've just bought a new motor(mexican) for my manx. I got it from Beach Buggy Australia http://www.beachbuggy.com.au/ ,it was $2048 + freight.
This will give you an idea how much it will cost for a new motor.
Werent Mexican parts dodgy as hell tho? 😂
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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#498122
Sorry, I still think a reco is better. The german internals are much superior to the mexican. And this is for a type 3 isn't it? Talk to Mick Motors or Volksrestore (or someone else up there) and get them to rebuild what you have. 👍
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#498208
pete wood wrote:Sorry, I still think a reco is better. The german internals are much superior to the mexican. And this is for a type 3 isn't it? Talk to Mick Motors or Volksrestore (or someone else up there) and get them to rebuild what you have. 👍
Yeh....when you get a rebuild for the same $$$$ as a new "Mexican" engine in most cases you get an old engine back with new "Mexican" parts inside. I'm a VW mechanic and for the price of an all new engine i wouldn't bother with a rebuild.With a "new" engine it is NEW,not old with new parts.Different story if you are a purist and want the original engine for the sake of numbers etc....but each to their own. Just buy a new one and save yourself the hassels.....(my opinion only):kiss
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mackaymanx Custom Title Time!

1,611 posts · joined Jan 2006 ·

#498219
pete it's for a stick-shift beetle. I think the quote for $2300 sounds good if it includes
-Refit and new seals for the semi-auto oil pump
-fitting of flex plate and end float adjustment
-and new motor of course

Fit new torque converter seals while engine is out( ask 68AutoBug about this)

[ Edited on 8-6-2006 by mackaymanx ]

[ Edited on 8-6-2006 by mackaymanx ]
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Ampdub Officially Full-On Dubber

310 posts · joined May 2006 ·

#498270
i rebuilt my own on the loungeroom floor, went for ages and took off hard.

no problem with rebuild just make sure you use good parts i suppose

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#498283
pete wood wrote:Sorry, it's that cast crank that scares me. Wouldn't you get a german piston/barrell set on a good rebuild?
Why would a cast crank scare you?????Not like it's pushing mega HP...it would be fine.
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dubbill Officially Full-On Dubber

336 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#498395
for the money youd have to go the new motor if you want a reliable rebuild you seriously would have to pay much more than 2300 big gold coins remember a driven rebuild probably lasts 3-5 yrs the motor your rebuilding is prob 30-40 yrs old you do the math start afresh AND imo budget for a new carburettor on your new engine as this will definatly extend the life of a motor keep it in tune do your services and a new motor will prob last you 12yrs plus and show you much 😍

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#498440
Mick H wrote:
pete wood wrote:Sorry, it's that cast crank that scares me. Wouldn't you get a german piston/barrell set on a good rebuild?
Why would a cast crank scare you?????Not like it's pushing mega HP...it would be fine.
Dr Porsche put forged cranks in KDF beetles precisely because all the cast ones broke during testing. And they were putting out less than 25hp in most cases. A late model 1600 puts out 50hp doesn't?

Anyway, I know you're gonna tell me casting methods are better now and all, but I couldn't buy a cast crank given that originally, 1600s came with forged ones. And I know a VW prof who quoted me less than 2300 for a rebuild. Anyway, it's horses for courses, if she's happy with a cast crank let her buy one, but don't ask me to recommend one coz I wouldn't, that's all.




[ Edited on 9-6-06 by pete wood ]
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koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#498597
exactly what you said,

casting and machining tech has come a long way since Dr F

cast cranks can work well, they use they in a range of vehicles now. cast pistons etc

it is like ring tech, come a looooooooong way


the other option is a flux capacitor! :kiss


pete wood wrote:
Mick H wrote:
pete wood wrote:Sorry, it's that cast crank that scares me. Wouldn't you get a german piston/barrell set on a good rebuild?
Why would a cast crank scare you?????Not like it's pushing mega HP...it would be fine.
Dr Porsche put forged cranks in KDF beetles precisely because all the cast ones broke during testing. And they were putting out less than 25hp in most cases. A late model 1600 puts out 50hp doesn't?

Anyway, I know you're gonna tell me casting methods are better now and all, but I couldn't buy a cast crank given that originally, 1600s came with forged ones. And I know a VW prof who quoted me less than 2300 for a rebuild. Anyway, it's horses for courses, if she's happy with a cast crank let her buy one, but don't ask me to recommend one coz I wouldn't, that's all.




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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#498608
pete wood wrote:
koolkarmakombi wrote:cast cranks can work well, they use they in a range of vehicles now. cast pistons etc
like for instance?
Holden,Ford,Mitsubishi,Hyundai etc. Even with high performance VW's you have an option of cast or forged cranks,depending on your application.:P This discussion is dead.Can we return to the original thread topic now???

[ Edited on 9-6-06 by Mick H ]because i carnt spel




[ Edited on 9-6-06 by Mick H ]
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volksnerd Learner Dubber

9 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#498657
definitely replace that torque convertor seal. they are a little hard to find though.......

64vwmark Fahrvergnugen

930 posts · joined Dec 2004 ·

#498827
I've heard that those torque converter seals can be real easy to damage when you remove the engine.

As for the new vs reco engine debate, I personally would go for the reco, it's a good opportunity to get an engine more suited to your driving style because you can modify it.:thumb


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nicole Commited Dubber

62 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#498892
no i am still here just find everyone opinion interresting to here all the different ways of doing things.

volksnerd Learner Dubber

9 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#499524
The secret is to unbolt the torque converter before removing the engine that way you dont disturb the seal.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#499603
Yes,
a disturbed old hardened torque converter oil seal will probably leak...
I would still replace it....
I don't think there are any in Australia...
I bought Mine from CIP1 in the USA...
Send Me Your details Nicole and I'll tell You the part number you need....
Chassis number needed...

cheers
Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#499605
One of the locals just bought a New mexican 1600 engine from Mick Motors in Brisbane...

Maybe the engines are OEM Volkswagen quality....

A Fellow in the US who has been into VWs for many years making hot road, drag and offroad VW engines and He always uses a used VW case as it has already been stressed....

A New case is unstressed....

Never been hot.....

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

volksnerd Learner Dubber

9 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#499616
The local VW shop in Fremantle should still have some converter seals in stock.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#499624
volksnerd wrote:The local VW shop in Fremantle should still have some converter seals in stock.
Whats their name???

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

volksnerd Learner Dubber

9 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#499641
V-DUB Repairs and Spares 125 south tce Fremantle WA.