please let me know what you guys think of a 110hp GTI engine in my beetle.
Am i going the right way, keeping in mind this car is mainly used for motorsport?
vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Everyone have their say please
Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l
12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Uh oh! seeds of doubt!
Wrong palce to ask THIS question dude!
Go to STF on "conversion perversion" if ya want the warm fuzzy answer.
PERSONAL OPINION - buy Matras 45 Del - what ever the price.
Talk to V Force and build that air cooled into a Jak beater!
Hey - "nothing" really wrong with what ya doing. Just too much bloody work. I prefer the "other" road
Wrong palce to ask THIS question dude!
Go to STF on "conversion perversion" if ya want the warm fuzzy answer.
PERSONAL OPINION - buy Matras 45 Del - what ever the price.
Talk to V Force and build that air cooled into a Jak beater!
Hey - "nothing" really wrong with what ya doing. Just too much bloody work. I prefer the "other" road
Futue te ipsum!!!
phatrat REALLY!
891 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Go for it :thumb breath some life into the old girl 😀
What class would it run in?
What class would it run in?
BiX Veteran Volks Folk
2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
imho. any fast vw is good. But u have to say something about a fast VW powered aircooled VW motor, just something about it.
phatrat REALLY!
891 posts · joined May 2004 ·
blue74l wrote:Uh oh! seeds of doubt!
Wrong palce to ask THIS question dude!
Go to STF on "conversion perversion" if ya want the warm fuzzy answer.
PERSONAL OPINION - buy Matras 45 Del - what ever the price.
Talk to V Force and build that air cooled into a Jak beater!
Hey - "nothing" really wrong with what ya doing. Just too much bloody work. I prefer the "other" road
Thanks Blue! STF .Now I feel at home and not a outcast :cry
I've gone to the dark side 😎
[Edited on 24-5-2003 by DakDat]
Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile
1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·
i feel your presence, dak vader...
my 2c: play with your flat four, make it boogie, keep it real😀
(no mention of engine numbers this time)😀
my 2c: play with your flat four, make it boogie, keep it real😀
(no mention of engine numbers this time)😀
let sleeping dubs lie
OvalGlen Custom Title Time!
1,361 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I suppose you are talking about a Golf type engine.?
Cast iron block, very high centre of gravity....
Seems nice that it is a VW engine but if you are going to that much trouble then there are probably a lot better options of engine swaps. even though they annoy the old schoolers.......
Cast iron block, very high centre of gravity....
Seems nice that it is a VW engine but if you are going to that much trouble then there are probably a lot better options of engine swaps. even though they annoy the old schoolers.......
Regards,Glenn>
Robo Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,491 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·
Why wreck a good Beetle, every one that gets the chop from an engine swap is one more that is lost, or needs a lot of work to get it back to original spec's.
If you want to race with a GTI engine, why don't you use the vehical that it was intended for, a Golf. It's still a VW!
Rob........
If you want to race with a GTI engine, why don't you use the vehical that it was intended for, a Golf. It's still a VW!
Rob........
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baybuscamperkid prince of insufficient light, ruler of heck
4,316 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
do some serious mods on a t4 motor. flat 4, aircooled and BIG, also, maybe a corvair flat6?
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vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
the golf motor from the info i can find weighs only 16lbs more than a complete type 1 engine!
im not really chopping my beetle up too much as this is something i had to seriously think about, but the body isnt the greatest either.
i have had a 1916 which was nice, but i was not impressed with it, and i dont think it would have made the 110 hp the GTI motor does.
just wanted opinions between using the golf motor as compared to a subi or rotary conversion.
and its too late to go back now as i have already run the water pipes and have the adaptor plate with the engine coming very soon
im not really chopping my beetle up too much as this is something i had to seriously think about, but the body isnt the greatest either.
i have had a 1916 which was nice, but i was not impressed with it, and i dont think it would have made the 110 hp the GTI motor does.
just wanted opinions between using the golf motor as compared to a subi or rotary conversion.
and its too late to go back now as i have already run the water pipes and have the adaptor plate with the engine coming very soon
phatrat REALLY!
891 posts · joined May 2004 ·
hell ya :thumb
Grey 57 Old Grey Cruiser
2,937 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Go for it VWRC, theres plenty of good VW beetles around still. So chopping one up for low cost extra power for motorsport is no big deal IMHO.
There was a T3 fastie around Melb with a Gold motor fitted. Thats got a V6 commode motor in it now. Fully street legal and a fast beast too.
I can remember years ago in NZ seeing a beetle with a mid mounted Valiant Hemi slant 6 motor. Was chain driven to the VW gear box.
What ever works for U. Its your car.
Also gotta say that after watching the Mazda rotarys at the drags on friday, I would fully consider shoving one of these motors into a VW if I was after speed. :thumb
There was a T3 fastie around Melb with a Gold motor fitted. Thats got a V6 commode motor in it now. Fully street legal and a fast beast too.
I can remember years ago in NZ seeing a beetle with a mid mounted Valiant Hemi slant 6 motor. Was chain driven to the VW gear box.
What ever works for U. Its your car.
Also gotta say that after watching the Mazda rotarys at the drags on friday, I would fully consider shoving one of these motors into a VW if I was after speed. :thumb
Bugged Again Wolfsburg Wizard
507 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
On Bris31 (the local community tv station) this week here in brissie they had a beetle with a GTI golf motor in it on the auto motor sport show.
was a really nice job especially the way the air vents were molded into the bonnet, it had a one piece front which tilted forward. Also one of those changy colour pain jobs
Go for it, if it doesn't turn out dump a wrx motor in or a porsche flat6
was a really nice job especially the way the air vents were molded into the bonnet, it had a one piece front which tilted forward. Also one of those changy colour pain jobs
Go for it, if it doesn't turn out dump a wrx motor in or a porsche flat6
mattie182 Wolfsburg Wizard
466 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Thats very true, I ve seen it....:Pim not really chopping my beetle up too much as this is something i had to seriously think about, but the body isnt the greatest either.
Nah, go for, like you said, too far to go back now
then again, you caould also buy a buggy, and race that
Once you go flat, you never go back!!!!!!
mattie182 Wolfsburg Wizard
466 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Thats very true, I ve seen it....:Pim not really chopping my beetle up too much as this is something i had to seriously think about, but the body isnt the greatest either.
Nah, go for, like you said, too far to go back now
then again, you caould also buy a buggy, and race that
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Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I've got nothing against jamming a water pumper in it, but I would wonder is 110HP is worth the effort. At least with a suby motor you can get some decent HP figures.
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hool Slammed & Awesome Dubber
91 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·
have you already bought the golf motor? what about a VR6 motor - it's probably not much bigger than the 4 cyl version, and you're starting with 128kW with plenty of room for improvement...
Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum
2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Just to throw a cat in amongst the pidgeons - ever thought about any of the Toyota 4AG family of engines ?
All 1600cc alloy block (I think ?) twin cam EFI, went from 77kw, 100kw, 123kw (5 valve per cylinder, 9000rpm redline) and also two supercharged versions that put out about 120kw or so.
Very cheap engines, several versions were australia delivered (ie not Jap import) so spares like oil filters are available through Repco. Small, light, revvy and pretty powerful.
But the GTI engine is a cool idea. I reckon if you have the engine and the adaptor plate / clutch already, do it now. If it doesnt have enough power, get a golf supercharger kit. It is still doesnt have enough power, drop an EJ20T in it 🙂
Be unique and individual and enjoy your car.
All 1600cc alloy block (I think ?) twin cam EFI, went from 77kw, 100kw, 123kw (5 valve per cylinder, 9000rpm redline) and also two supercharged versions that put out about 120kw or so.
Very cheap engines, several versions were australia delivered (ie not Jap import) so spares like oil filters are available through Repco. Small, light, revvy and pretty powerful.
But the GTI engine is a cool idea. I reckon if you have the engine and the adaptor plate / clutch already, do it now. If it doesnt have enough power, get a golf supercharger kit. It is still doesnt have enough power, drop an EJ20T in it 🙂
Be unique and individual and enjoy your car.
pyr0 flame-on
4,457 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·
a VW EJ20 music to the ears of any speed freak VW owner that is right after the big PPSSHHHHHHH sound coming from the turbo :bounce
Secoh Fahrvergnugen
926 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
the weight of the motor should be your biggest consideration, with power being second, on any VW that you want to go around a corner.
you can get some good power out of an air cooled dub, but it's very very expensive compared to a jap import motor, and they dont seem to be that reliable when running on the razors edge, such as in competition. (compared to late model stuff)
My suggestions are suzuki 1300cc and turbo (all alloy motor), the subaru offerings (though they are pretty heavy for an alloy motor) or a honda (or similar all alloy) V6 motor. If the 4 cyl honda motors rotated in a normal direction they wopuld be ideal, but they dont, so it'd be too much of a pain in the arse to run one.
All only suggestions, and my opinion only.
if it was a mild street car I'd say you'd be daft to not use an air cooled motor, but I'm guessing it'll be a track terror?
you can get some good power out of an air cooled dub, but it's very very expensive compared to a jap import motor, and they dont seem to be that reliable when running on the razors edge, such as in competition. (compared to late model stuff)
My suggestions are suzuki 1300cc and turbo (all alloy motor), the subaru offerings (though they are pretty heavy for an alloy motor) or a honda (or similar all alloy) V6 motor. If the 4 cyl honda motors rotated in a normal direction they wopuld be ideal, but they dont, so it'd be too much of a pain in the arse to run one.
All only suggestions, and my opinion only.
if it was a mild street car I'd say you'd be daft to not use an air cooled motor, but I'm guessing it'll be a track terror?
If it aint broke,
Make it go faster!!
Make it go faster!!
vwguru Commited Dubber
62 posts · joined May 2003 ·
i seriously think you are going the wrong way. you can get an air cooled motor to get up and boogy with no worries. as long as it is set up right, and by the right person. the bug is already set up for the original motor going for the golf motor will mean having to find a place to mount radiator and getting sufficent cooling to it as well. running water lines engine mounts. weight!!! it really is up to you, but i would much prefer to stick to the air cooled unit anyday....
70AutoStik Insano Dub Head
730 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
That may well be true, but you need to consider the extra weight of the cooling system on top of that. Usually the radiator is fitted at the front, offsetting the weight balance - but remember every litre of coolant weighs about 1 kilo. I think you'll end up with performance equivalent to a rather mild type 1, with a disadvantage in braking.vwrallycar wrote:the golf motor from the info i can find weighs only 16lbs more than a complete type 1 engine!
Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
The newer honda 4 cyl motors rotate the right way. They changed a few years ago.Secoh wrote:If the 4 cyl honda motors rotated in a normal direction they wopuld be ideal, but they dont, so it'd be too much of a pain in the arse to run one.
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vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
if the motor doesnt perform, then a bigger cam and head work will follow, but im sure it will go better than the 1916 i had.
subaru 1800 produces roughly 90 hp from figures i have seen ( EA81),
if that motor still doesnt go too well after some extra work then i will consider turbo charging it!
subaru 1800 produces roughly 90 hp from figures i have seen ( EA81),
if that motor still doesnt go too well after some extra work then i will consider turbo charging it!
whatnow Custom Title Time!
1,000 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·
to me the expense and hassle seems more than it is worth for 110bhp, but it's not me doing it 🙂 .
can i make a sugestion. if you are fitting the golf motor, why not fit the golf g.box aswell.
mid mounted E/W golf motor, poss 5 speeds, improved weight dist. etc.
just a thought.
yes you loose the space behind the front seats but you gain a boot in the back 😀
can i make a sugestion. if you are fitting the golf motor, why not fit the golf g.box aswell.
mid mounted E/W golf motor, poss 5 speeds, improved weight dist. etc.
just a thought.
yes you loose the space behind the front seats but you gain a boot in the back 😀
shiftyvw Wolfsburg Wizard
523 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
GTI motor is 110kw not hp if your talkin about new ones.
OvalGlen Custom Title Time!
1,361 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Plus.. you should be able to do wheelstands with that long heavy motor hanging back there.
Though that probably wont help on the corners.:thumb
Though that probably wont help on the corners.:thumb
Regards,Glenn>
Secoh Fahrvergnugen
926 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
heheh thats my concern too 😀 one reason why I am using a caravelle motor in my project.OvalGlen wrote:Plus.. you should be able to do wheelstands with that long heavy motor hanging back there.
Though that probably wont help on the corners.:thumb
If it aint broke,
Make it go faster!!
Make it go faster!!