My VW is very rare....or is it?

pete wood · 2006-07-18T08:20:48+00:00

Sorry but I think this is worth a rant. I was reading the classified sections of Ultra VW (which BTW I think is the best VW mag at the mo), and I came across an ad for a westfalia camper. It described the said vehicle as "rare". Then I scanned a few more ads. The same word seemed to miraclulously appear everywhere. Every second ebay ad seems to be the same. I've had enough. There is nothing rare about a VW. They are by definition common and cheap. There were over 2 million beetles made and at least half that figure of kombis made. Heck, they are still making bay window kombis as we speak. Another webpage I read today told me there were 203,000 early model type 3 made. Read that again, 203,000. And they are just the pre 69 models. THINGS THAT ARE RARE ARE NOT MADE IN THOUSANDS. I don't think you could even call hebmullers rare, there were a few hundred of them made. Every time someone sneezes another split window beetle is dragged out of a barn in Norway. Fridolins are all over the place, there is even one here in Australia now, thousands of miles away from Austria (I'm sure there'll be another one here next year too). There are NOS parts coming out people's back pockets, new panels being made all over the place, more aircooled performance parts than ever, need I go on? :blah I don't think I'm the only one who feels this either. You can still buy almost every model of VW ever sold in Oz in reasonable condition for under $10k. THEY ARE NOT RARE. This especially applies to all the freakin split window kombi and notch back owners. Stop advertising them as RARE. You might not see them on the freeway every day, but they're like cockroaches, they are everywhere!:cussing Ok, I feel better now. 🙂

bus914 Custom Title Time!

1,230 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 19 Jul 2006, 2:41 pm

#513104

you must be lucky, that wasn't the case when i was looking at cars.

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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 19 Jul 2006, 3:01 pm

#513109

pete wood wrote:blah blah blah......... VWs are NOT rare.

But yes, silver's van is rare.

[ Edited on 19-7-06 by pete wood ]

If Silvers van is rare (which it is) then the ManxSR is also rare.Similar production figures (give or take 50 units).....or does it depend only on what you think is "rare"?????

[ Edited on 19-7-06 by Mick H ]

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HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 19 Jul 2006, 3:09 pm

#513110

Rarity is for wankers...

Hell, I have very very rare NOS flathead conrods which I am cutting up for a shifter. All those pre 1930 restorers that will cry.... hahahaha

koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 19 Jul 2006, 3:36 pm

#513112

LOLOLOL

Rarity is stuff that is NLA and one off etc

like me!

HotRodMatt wrote:Rarity is for wankers...

Hell, I have very very rare NOS flathead conrods which I am cutting up for a shifter. All those pre 1930 restorers that will cry.... hahahaha

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 19 Jul 2006, 3:40 pm

#513114

bus914 wrote:you must be lucky, that wasn't the case when i was looking at cars.

well, I don't know about what you were looking at, but people on this forum seem to be buying cars like that and posting pics of them all the time.

Mick, ok, if thats the case, Silver's van is not rare either. I thought there were only 100 or so of those made.

I don't want to be bloody minded. I'm just sick of people calling their VWs rare coz they are old, rusty, or they have spent too much money on them.

There is a difference between an interesting, old curio and a valuable rarity. I think, again IMHO, people tend to put VWs in the latter category when they belong in the former.

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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 19 Jul 2006, 3:58 pm

#513117

So if there were 2 million of product "X" produced and only 100 left in the world,would YOU classify them as "rare"??? I would.Especially if there was a demand for such a product.

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silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 19 Jul 2006, 4:25 pm

#513120

Try and find a container Van I know of 10 worldwide
if you find one let me know I'll buy it
and if I do sell it one day, I will call it Very Rare.
Silver

Keeping it real !

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 19 Jul 2006, 4:44 pm

#513123

silver wrote:Try and find a container Van I know of 10 worldwide
if you find one let me know I'll buy it
and if I do sell it one day, I will call it Very Rare.
Silver

There is one in Bowen,QLD.The owner has it in a shipping container now after i offered to buy it.He was a grumpy sh*t. Had a fair bit of rust but not terminal by any means!!!

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silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 19 Jul 2006, 4:55 pm

#513129

try again

Keeping it real !

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 19 Jul 2006, 5:03 pm

#513133

silver wrote:try again

I will be!!! Will get my old man to email me another one of the pictures of it he took 2 years ago when he gets home on Friday.I'll email it to you.Then you will know of 11!!!!:kiss

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Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 19 Jul 2006, 6:48 pm

#513186

So who decides how small a number of something makes it rare? Is it how many are left, OR how many were manufactured?? This is all a word game. Makes some rules, THEN play the game. A guy I know has a 250 PF Ferrari, one of 12 RHD made. Is that as rare as one of 11 privately imported split beetles? Or the poor bloke that had a wrestle with the engineer about his individually constructed vehicle?

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 19 Jul 2006, 7:47 pm

#513228

I think anything that was produced in numbers of lower than 100 or so, and is of exemplary design or manufacture, and is more than 25 years old can be classed as rare.

Yes, it's a word game, but the point is that the word has value and people are trying to sell garbage as classics using it.

I could make 5 cardboard swords and leave em in the cupboard for twenty years, but that does not make them rare, they're still cheap cardboard garbage.

As for numbers remaining, well that's as long as a piece of string. Everytime someone says this is the last one in existance, miraculously another two or three turn up. It then becomes about how sort after they are. If I offered you a one of a kind 16 anniversary Joe Bloggs copper medallion, you couldn't care less, but if it's a 1961 samba, then it becomes a whole different story.

As far as I'm concerned Oasis, your signature sums it up well...

"tell him we've already got one"

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Notch Nut Custom Title Time!

1,011 posts · joined Apr 2006 · 20 Jul 2006, 10:58 pm

#513682

Who cares how many were built. If there is only a handful left then it is rare. Datsun 180B's were rusty and cheap cars that 15 years ago were everywhere. How many do you see on the roads nowdays? In 20 years time Hyundai Excells will be rare as they are built like crap and will most likely be crushed and turned into ice-cream containers. Just because it isn't a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost in unrestored condition doesn't mean that if there is only a few left that it isn't rare. Try this hypothetical example;
Which is rarer. They Built 15 of a particular Rolls Royce, if 10 of them still exist then 66% of the production of that model is available. Say they built 1,000,000 Datsun etc. and for some reason only 100 are left, does that not make it rare also?

I think finding an agreement on this topic would be rare! (my 2 cents)

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Spook Driving the 64 wheeler

1,168 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 21 Jul 2006, 5:16 pm

#513895

Mick H wrote:So if there were 2 million of product "X" produced and only 100 left in the world,would YOU classify them as "rare"??? I would.Especially if there was a demand for such a product.

If the survival rate is 100 out of 2,000,000, I'd classify it as a piece of shit.:P

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Notch Nut Custom Title Time!

1,011 posts · joined Apr 2006 · 21 Jul 2006, 5:23 pm

#513901

lol!!😀

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Takhoal Seriously Crusin Dubber

144 posts · joined May 2006 · 21 Jul 2006, 5:58 pm

#513908

phatratpat wrote:😉 nice rant , I like it !:repuke

meh, needs dragons, or ninjas, or ninja dragons. ( NOS ninja dragons obviously 🥷 🙄 )

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Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 21 Jul 2006, 6:18 pm

#513912

ninja dragons are rarer...😎

And Pete, there must be a few holy grails around too, especially if the French already had one...:P

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helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 21 Jul 2006, 7:44 pm

#513949

Spook wrote:If the survival rate is 100 out of 2,000,000, I'd classify it as a piece of shit.:P

I'll pay that one.

I think the Bitsashitti Sigma fits in that category.

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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 21 Jul 2006, 8:06 pm

#513966

Spook wrote:
Mick H wrote:So if there were 2 million of product "X" produced and only 100 left in the world,would YOU classify them as "rare"??? I would.Especially if there was a demand for such a product.
If the survival rate is 100 out of 2,000,000, I'd classify it as a piece of shit.:P

That is a classic!!!:P What would you classify 5, 20 year old cardboard swords as?????😂

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crewcabconnection Being Sid James

1,922 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 21 Jul 2006, 10:28 pm

#514035

my panel is RARE. Because of all the 67s produced only a handful remain with the 3 vent set up. Not that it influences price a most folks wouldnt notice. RARE now means because they are hard to aquire. Who gives a shit how many were made originally, how many can you lay your hands on right now.

Take an original Star Wars Millenium Falcon toy (late 70s). Not rare as almost 3/4 of a billion toys got made, but having a boxed one unplayed with now is RARE. Hense why they fetch a few thousand.

Ive got a Kruizinwagon Treasure Hunt Drag Bus, thats rare as only 50 made. in matt black and 50 silver. The whole run was only 1000 pieces. RARE because its the only Matt Black Drag Bus made. Even rarer, having the test piece which was Gloss, theres one of those. How about an original Beach Bomb? RARE.

RARE is not so much relative to the numbers made, but the number left/the number available. Container vans are RARE but not impossible to get. Mullers got one if you want it I think. Hardings (now sold), RAAF Refrig. Van is RARE. Doddys Matadors are RARE, so his deluxe.

If its in a car yard then it aint rare. If its in Ray Blacks secret hideout its RARE.

Bruce working on his Barnie ... now thats RARE....(wink).

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crewcabconnection Being Sid James

1,922 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 21 Jul 2006, 10:30 pm

#514036

Oasis wrote:So who decides how small a number of something makes it rare? Is it how many are left, OR how many were manufactured?? This is all a word game. Makes some rules, THEN play the game. A guy I know has a 250 PF Ferrari, one of 12 RHD made. Is that as rare as one of 11 privately imported split beetles? Or the poor bloke that had a wrestle with the engineer about his individually constructed vehicle?

who decides?....THEY do...you know the mysterious THEY, the wizards.

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byronbus dsk

4,204 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 21 Jul 2006, 11:53 pm

#514068

crewcabconnection wrote:Seeing Bruces Barnie on the road - that would be rare.

Haha

But this topic has been done before, and ive never seen some of the models pete spoke of so in my eyes they are rare...

Even petes buggy is rare, thank god for that...

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