Compression Issues

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221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 18 Jul 2006, 12:22 pm

#512667

Hi AVD's, I am intending to purchase '58 Beetle but it is having compression problems. I know that cylinders can loose compression due to wear and tear etc. But this car has had an engine rebuild in the last 4 years, the carbies have been fixed up, new fuel lines and tank. So what could it be? could it just be valve issue? Your help appreciated.

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880 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 18 Jul 2006, 12:40 pm

#512674

Loose head studs. Check that all head studs are torqued to spec. Could also be worn valves. Four years is long enough to do 100,000km, if it's a daily driver. Could still be worn rings. Test by pouring a small amount of oil into the cylinder and re running comp test. If comp goes up, rings are worn

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 18 Jul 2006, 12:43 pm

#512675

have a read through here

http://www.vw-resource.com/vw-resource.com_non_ssl/search.php?zoom_query=compression&zoom_per_page=10&zoom_and=1&zoom_sort=0

there are a heap of things go wrong with a motor resulting to low compression

First
What are the compression problems?? low - none??

What do you call a rebuild?? New pistons and barrels or a quick hone and new rings if you are lucky??

Could be
pulled head studs
dropped valve seats
valve badly adjusted and held open
distorted barrel

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884 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 18 Jul 2006, 8:33 pm

#512841

If its got low comp, you pretty much certainly going to have to rebuild, or at least a top end freshen up. Replace valves, seats and guides at least. Possibly head studs as above, rings, barrels... list is long. Try the oil trick but generally crap compression WILL mean a rebuild.

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221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 20 Jul 2006, 4:35 pm

#513500

76camper wrote:If its got low comp, you pretty much certainly going to have to rebuild, or at least a top end freshen up. Replace valves, seats and guides at least. Possibly head studs as above, rings, barrels... list is long. Try the oil trick but generally crap compression WILL mean a rebuild.

Reading Muir's I figured as much. The car is supposedly not running hot, and sounds like normal no clunking (rings ok i guess) but i expect it would be smokin' oil. Compression test figures showed that No.1. cylinder is stuck, and 70psi in the other cylinders so it sounds dead, head rebuild and all things new there. The 4 year rebuild apparently was bottom end (according to owner), my guess she means crankshaft, and rods and pulleys etc but i dunno. Cracked piston is also a possibility i guess.

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884 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 20 Jul 2006, 5:17 pm

#513514

Thats kinda good news, as hopefully you wont need to touch the bottom end (except inspect it). You will probably be able to get away with top end freshen up (valves, seats and guides) and possibly hone cylinders and chuck in some fresh rings. If its not blowing smoke that would suggest the rings are sealing well. One way to determine between compression loss due to rings or valves is as sed, take the comp reading of a pot, then put a fit of oil through the spark plug hole and take another reading (after a few cranks). if the compression remains constant its a head issue.

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 20 Jul 2006, 6:24 pm

#513537

76camper wrote:If its got low comp, you pretty much certainly going to have to rebuild, or at least a top end freshen up. Replace valves, seats and guides at least. Possibly head studs as above, rings, barrels... list is long. Try the oil trick but generally crap compression WILL mean a rebuild.

Um, valves, guides and seats won't do JACK if your rings are shot.

No comp could be as simple as a 'riding' valve due to tight tappets...or as bad as a scored bore that even new rings won't fix!

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221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 21 Jul 2006, 10:39 pm

#514040

VWCOOL wrote:
76camper wrote:If its got low comp, you pretty much certainly going to have to rebuild, or at least a top end freshen up. Replace valves, seats and guides at least. Possibly head studs as above, rings, barrels... list is long. Try the oil trick but generally crap compression WILL mean a rebuild.
Um, valves, guides and seats won't do JACK if your rings are shot.

No comp could be as simple as a 'riding' valve due to tight tappets...or as bad as a scored bore that even new rings won't fix!

But a scored bore or distortion in the barrel should cause loud noises should it not? and the engine apparently runs sweet just no compression, must find out if it is smoking...

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 21 Jul 2006, 10:42 pm

#514042

umm.......... how can it run sweet if it has no compression :duh

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221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 24 Jul 2006, 11:29 am

#514821

he he yeah...thats what i thought, but i mean sweet in that it does not apparently sound any different, no loud, odd noises coming from the car's engine! I dont get it either, Bizarre

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 24 Jul 2006, 11:42 am

#514824

pop off a rocker cover and go looking for a stuck valve. No smoke means your rings may be okay. Maybe...

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221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 24 Jul 2006, 5:10 pm

#514925

No smoke definitely, so probably a stuck valve on no. 1 cylinder. Guess the question is, when I get to look at it, will i go gung ho with a fully top end rebuild or just fix what is broken.

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1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 24 Jul 2006, 5:45 pm

#514935

Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag wrote:........... the question is, when I get to look at it, will i go gung ho with a fully top end rebuild or just fix what is broken.

Mayyyyyteee, thats a question only you can answer....which may well be influenced by your wallet size...or lack of it.

Got no money? plop it up with S/H bits.
Got plenty spondulah? Build it up bigger and better with nice new bits.

You decide.

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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....

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221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 25 Jul 2006, 10:46 am

#515179

tanks for tee help tassupervee, hmmm...i got a quote for a head rebuild as $300 is that reasonable?

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