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76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#525040
Hey guyz,
Not vw but aircooled none the less :-). Having some troubles with my 125 4 stroke trail bike.

After doing some work to my engine and putting it back together its not quite running right, it seems to have intermittant power...?

Its just rideable, but when riding it is lacking alot of power. Intermitantly how ever it will running 'right' and be powerful and run well, but only for a short period of time. For instant had it pinned in 2nd and was just thinking, what can be wrong. All of a sudden it started running 'right' and lifted the front wheel, i kicked it into 3rd and it just died again.

Its still got small flames coming out the exhaust if i work the throttle for it, which leads me to think the charge is not combusting properly, leaving the head then the next cycle and charge will ignite, which then ignited the unignited charge from the previous cycle that has now entered the exhaust pipe.

I have cleaned the carby.
Cam timing IS spot on.
Do have spark, but i cant tell if its intermittant.
Im pretty sure valve clearances are right.
Have tried a spare CDI, no change.

This list leaves me mainly focusing on the ignition system, possible a problem with the magneto, coil, or wiring. Yet intermittant power does not seem to be the result of a loose or bare wire as it is not bump related etc.

I have got a spare coil, i will try that next.

This has got me puzzled, any assistance, ideas, possibilities or experiences would be very useful!

Edward
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76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#525480
I think it might have something to do with crappy exhaust valve seal. Valve might be getting stuck or not sealing correctly.

c'mon guyz, almost a month since it was running well... grrr
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76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#526008
have replaced coil, no change!

checked compression and its got 100psi. (using a hold in place type compression tester so i guess a fair bit more)

I did put in a spare spark plug and it ran slightly better, so ill grab a new one and see how it goes.

Ill also have a fiddle with the jetting!

any other ideas?!?
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sinecure Want another... :(

1,031 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#526088
I would have said coil/magneto. Maybe bad plug lead contacts? Sounds like a resistance change in the ignition circuit maybe, that wouldn't be affected by bumps.
A POSSE AD ESSE.

I live in my own little world, but it's okay, they know me here.

sinecure Want another... :(

1,031 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#526089
BTW, what is the bike?
A POSSE AD ESSE.

I live in my own little world, but it's okay, they know me here.

kevo Officially Full-On Dubber

371 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#526340
yer my 50 is a 124cc so i might know what your talking about,

i had a problem a short while back and just dropped it into my mate at moto shop and it was the coil, so check magneto also

i doubt it is the engine very highly, unless its over 2 years old

inspect all carb parts again, dont just clean them because they wear and break too its just harder to find!

the plug is always a good indicator of how the engine is running too man

we all run ours on at least 98 oct

good luck
76 baywindow kombi - V8 & Weddle racing diff and gearbox
Daily driven beach cruiser

Chewy Fahrvergnugen

889 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#526382
what "work" did you do to the engine?
Is the float height correct?
Where is the air bleed set at?
.

76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#526555
did some head work, porting, shaping, etc. Havent touched float level or air bleed, it was running fine before the work so i wasnt focusing on carby, but now its running rich i think it may b more likely.

Put a new plug in and it ran better, but really rich, and the plug is now fouled.


Am borrowing a spare carby off a mate to see if thats where my prob is.

Hopefully that is the problem... $20 fix off ebay :-)




heres a vid of it running.

i think the sound and image are out of sync which is annoying coz u cant see throttle position. But the sound is delayed by a sec or so, you will pick it up after you watch it.

ill post again this arv and you all know how the spare carby went, fingers crossed!!

[ Edited on 25-8-2006 by 76camper ]
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76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#526652
another update!


Tried a spare carby today, ran exactly the same!

I did notice it was firing out the carby tho, which suggests a timing issue either spark (wasnt very powerful blow out so i guess this) or valve timing, which i have spot on unless the flywheel is one rotation out, but it shouldnt matter... should it?


I guess what ive got left to try is take the timing gear off, spin the flywheel one rotation and bolt it all back together.

I can hear a bit of a ticking noise, sounds to me like valve lash... so hopefully nothing serious.

So now i have rulled out:
Coil
Spark plug
Ignition lead
carburettor
compression (sort of.. need a helper to get accurate reading)

All thats left:
Try valve timing with flywheel rotated 1 revolution
Ignition timing (same as above i guess), Have to do a bit more research on this.
Valve seating/seal

any ideas? Am i heading the in the right direction?


UPDATE:

Just spent 30 mins ruling out valve timing.

Must have damaged the magneto or something like that. Ive got a spare so ill whip it off tomoro and see how its goes.

so much for chinese simplicity lol.


Few more things to cross off the list,

Valve gap, both have clearance over the TDC period and both valves open and close as they shud (no sticking etc)

valve timing, spot on, tried it in 3 diff positions, no change at all to the running...


This f* up has gotten personal now lol, my sanity is at stake.

either i get it running soon, or its going off a headland in flames! (d/w will have vid cam if its the latter)

[ Edited on 25-8-2006 by 76camper ]
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