OK this number was printed on the genny pedastal: 7583969
Is this my engine number? if so what engine is it?
Cheers
gerbie_rox
Former member ·
Engine?
Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter
2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·
Is there a letter anywhere in the code?... this might help...
D Thru 8/65, 1200cc (34 hp),
O 1964, 1500cc (44 hp)
H 1965, 1500cc (44 hp)
HO and TO 1966-67, 1500cc (44 hp)
B5 1968, 1600cc single port, single relief
B 1969, 1600cc single port
B6 1970, 1600cc single port, dual relief, for Type 1 vehicles
AE 1971-72, 1600cc dual port, 8/70-7/71
AH 1973-1974, 1600cc dual port, for Type 1 vehicles
AJ, AS 1975-79 1600cc dual port, for Type 1 vehicles
F1, F2 1300-1600cc replacement engine case
AK 1967-74 1500-1600 replacement engine case
AB, AD, AM 1600cc replacement engine case
Your engine certainly looks rather like a 1200.... judging by the fan shroud and the 6V generator. This would make perfect sense, as the 1200 was installed in Kombi's and Beetles from about 1951? until about 1962. Your '58 would have had a 1200 from the factory. 🙂
Cheers
[ Edited on 24-8-2006 by Schmoburger ]
D Thru 8/65, 1200cc (34 hp),
O 1964, 1500cc (44 hp)
H 1965, 1500cc (44 hp)
HO and TO 1966-67, 1500cc (44 hp)
B5 1968, 1600cc single port, single relief
B 1969, 1600cc single port
B6 1970, 1600cc single port, dual relief, for Type 1 vehicles
AE 1971-72, 1600cc dual port, 8/70-7/71
AH 1973-1974, 1600cc dual port, for Type 1 vehicles
AJ, AS 1975-79 1600cc dual port, for Type 1 vehicles
F1, F2 1300-1600cc replacement engine case
AK 1967-74 1500-1600 replacement engine case
AB, AD, AM 1600cc replacement engine case
Your engine certainly looks rather like a 1200.... judging by the fan shroud and the 6V generator. This would make perfect sense, as the 1200 was installed in Kombi's and Beetles from about 1951? until about 1962. Your '58 would have had a 1200 from the factory. 🙂
Cheers
[ Edited on 24-8-2006 by Schmoburger ]
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
gerbie_rox
Former member ·
It ain't the original motor, i know that for a fact.
Cant see any letters,
cheers
Cant see any letters,
cheers
Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter
2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·
Ah OK, that is odd... 😵💫
On my Kombi, the letter code is CJ and is at the beginning of the engine number ie. CJ 014307
Your's should be similar... I think it might have the number stamped on the bottom of the crankcase too perhaps... if i recall correctly, mine has something stamped above the sum on the right hand side.
does the genny pedestal bolt on or is it cast into the case?... if it is cast into the case, then it can only be a 36HP 1200.... which is the same as what it came with. if it has a bolted on pedestal, then being 6V, it is more than likely a 40HP 1200, or a very slim chance that it is an early 60's 1500 (only used in type 3's and Kombi's and not to be confused with the later 1500's used from 1966-1969).
[ Edited on 24-8-2006 by Schmoburger ]
On my Kombi, the letter code is CJ and is at the beginning of the engine number ie. CJ 014307
Your's should be similar... I think it might have the number stamped on the bottom of the crankcase too perhaps... if i recall correctly, mine has something stamped above the sum on the right hand side.
does the genny pedestal bolt on or is it cast into the case?... if it is cast into the case, then it can only be a 36HP 1200.... which is the same as what it came with. if it has a bolted on pedestal, then being 6V, it is more than likely a 40HP 1200, or a very slim chance that it is an early 60's 1500 (only used in type 3's and Kombi's and not to be confused with the later 1500's used from 1966-1969).
[ Edited on 24-8-2006 by Schmoburger ]
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
PurpleT3 Fahrvergnugen
880 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·
The number on the pedestal is not the engine no.
You need to look on the engine case itself, just under where the pedestal mounts. It is on the rear (rear is rear of car) of the motor just to the right of the case parting line.
If I remember correctly, the number on the pedestal is raised ie it is cast in, while the engine no is stamped onto the block.
You need to look on the engine case itself, just under where the pedestal mounts. It is on the rear (rear is rear of car) of the motor just to the right of the case parting line.
If I remember correctly, the number on the pedestal is raised ie it is cast in, while the engine no is stamped onto the block.
Ain't nothin' like the wind in your hair.
68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --
11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
the number could be covered in oil or dirt...
or oily dirt :P:P
but should have a letter or two ,as the others have said...
Lee
or oily dirt :P:P
but should have a letter or two ,as the others have said...
Lee
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --
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the engine number is below this:
Zundfolge 1-4-3-2
see drawing
Lee
Zundfolge 1-4-3-2
see drawing
Lee
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gerbie_rox
Former member ·
Dosent have letters beside it, pedestal is bolted on, however below it on the block is WC
See attached
[ Edited on 25/8/2006 by gerbie_rox ]
See attached
[ Edited on 25/8/2006 by gerbie_rox ]
Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
thatd be one of the last 40hps
probably a 64-65 model
the early ones didnt have letter prefixes
till they brought out the 1300 in 65-66 from memory
-Joel
probably a 64-65 model
the early ones didnt have letter prefixes
till they brought out the 1300 in 65-66 from memory
-Joel
Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter
2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·
It should be right here where the red arrow is... the one in my photo has an H at the beginning, followed by a number...meaning it is a 1965 1500cc. 🙂
Not sure exactly where your letter is, best I can think of is that its a 36HP or earlier... not sure of the significance of the WC... 🙁
can you take a picture of the inlet manifold?
Not sure exactly where your letter is, best I can think of is that its a 36HP or earlier... not sure of the significance of the WC... 🙁
can you take a picture of the inlet manifold?
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter
2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·
ah ok.. joel has it sorted.. ignore my last post then hehhe... but yeh.. it definitely looked like a 40 horse or earlier... 🙂
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
i've never actually worked out the W_ marking
all of my twin port motors have it just below the dizzy
they are all diff tho WC, WD, WE, and one has WF
be something in german no doubt
-Joel
all of my twin port motors have it just below the dizzy
they are all diff tho WC, WD, WE, and one has WF
be something in german no doubt
-Joel
Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
the other thing ive noticed is that 40hp 1200s had that
"Caution use only genuine VW parts" sticker above the fan
where as 1300s have it inside the glovebox lid
-Joel
"Caution use only genuine VW parts" sticker above the fan
where as 1300s have it inside the glovebox lid
-Joel
gerbie_rox
Former member ·
OK then, thanx everyone
Got alot of grunt for a 1200 though, others i have driving don't go like dis one..plus this one aint running properly.
But if its a 40hp 1200, that mite explain it cause i only driven 36hp 1200s...still not much diff..4hp
Cheers
Got alot of grunt for a 1200 though, others i have driving don't go like dis one..plus this one aint running properly.
But if its a 40hp 1200, that mite explain it cause i only driven 36hp 1200s...still not much diff..4hp
Cheers
baybuscamperkid prince of insufficient light, ruler of heck
4,316 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
maybe a month of manufacture or testers mark for quality control?DUB74L wrote:i've never actually worked out the W_ marking
all of my twin port motors have it just below the dizzy
they are all diff tho WC, WD, WE, and one has WF
be something in german no doubt
-Joel
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Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter
2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·
Makes a lot of difference when you dont have much weight to push and the numbers you are dealing with are that small... 😎 40hp is something like a 14% increase in horsepower over a 36hp.gerbie_rox wrote:OK then, thanx everyone
Got alot of grunt for a 1200 though, others i have driving don't go like dis one..plus this one aint running properly.
But if its a 40hp 1200, that mite explain it cause i only driven 36hp 1200s...still not much diff..4hp
Cheers
Wit regards to those letters, I think I do acually recall reading summin about them somewhere a while ago... cant remember what it was tho now. 🙁
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
Schmoburger Baywindow Mafia Godfather and Cement-Shoe Fitter
2,185 posts · joined Oct 2005 ·
Casting number?
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/c
Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
one of mine also has this stamped on it
but i'm pretty sure it would be a marking from Lismore Service Center of some sort
-Joel
[ Edited on 25-8-2006 by DUB74L ]
but i'm pretty sure it would be a marking from Lismore Service Center of some sort
-Joel
[ Edited on 25-8-2006 by DUB74L ]
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --
11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi,
Its a 1963 engine...
engine numbers : 6,935,205 - 7,893,118
40 HP 1200 ENGINE
with 28 PICT CARBY with auto choke..
Lee
Its a 1963 engine...
engine numbers : 6,935,205 - 7,893,118
40 HP 1200 ENGINE
with 28 PICT CARBY with auto choke..
Lee
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --
11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
My engine has High speed conversion stamped on it.
and intials... which i can't remember...
Lee
and intials... which i can't remember...
Lee
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Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
whats that about lee??
oh yeah i forgot to mention schmo those engine codes u listed are overseas not australian
our 1600s here were AD 71-73 and AS 74 on
and 1300s were AB 71-73 and AR 74 on
and i know that 68-71 1500 bugs were H
-Joel
oh yeah i forgot to mention schmo those engine codes u listed are overseas not australian
our 1600s here were AD 71-73 and AS 74 on
and 1300s were AB 71-73 and AR 74 on
and i know that 68-71 1500 bugs were H
-Joel
Warrenm Wolfsburg Wizard
466 posts · joined Aug 2004 ·
Very interesting- High Speed Conversions was a top VW shop in Perth WA owned by Mick Munninger -hope spelling is correct.68AutoBug wrote:My engine has High speed conversion stamped on it.
and intials... which i can't remember...
Lee
Great guy and a great shop.