jimmy Commited Dubber
56 posts · joined Jun 2005 ·
I know that I asked a question about fuel injection a week ago, but does anyone know a good engineer or technician or mechanic who can inject a beetle? I have a type 4 engine
Fuel injection
vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday
16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Jimmy
fill out your profile so we can see where your located. then we can suggest places for you to talk to.
fill out your profile so we can see where your located. then we can suggest places for you to talk to.
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jimmy Commited Dubber
56 posts · joined Jun 2005 ·
Hey Bros, I am currently located in Melbourne. Do you guys know who does injection?
vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday
16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Sorry Jim only places in Sydney
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409
the shire bug Learner Dubber
19 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
What is the cost roughly to do this
keep on buggin
Che Castro ankle straps
1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
not cheap 🙂 The really late and current mex beetles use fuel injection, although if u want to go aftermarket it will prob cost a couple of grand at least
Jon
KruizinKombi Seriously Obsessed Cyber Dubber
3,493 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hunt around for the stock type 4 fuel injection system. Manifolds, injectors, fuel rail, wiring loom, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, plenum chamber, throttle body/airflow sensor and 'computer' are some of the bits you'll need.
If you use stock parts, you won't need a specialist to help you, it's all in the workshop manual. :thumb
If you use stock parts, you won't need a specialist to help you, it's all in the workshop manual. :thumb
Kruizin Kol
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
I have Autronic SMC on my bug, the basic unit is $1800 plus you need injectors, manifolds, fuel pumps etc. It really adds up and if you have to pay someone else to do it the price will really go up. Im pretty sure that you can buy the Mexican unit but it would not be programble like any other stock system.
1302Steve
I have Autronic SMC on my bug, the basic unit is $1800 plus you need injectors, manifolds, fuel pumps etc. It really adds up and if you have to pay someone else to do it the price will really go up. Im pretty sure that you can buy the Mexican unit but it would not be programble like any other stock system.
1302Steve
type82e Wolfsburg Wizard
591 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
brad(buggy boys) has a complete fuel injetcetd 2 ltr kombi motor for sale running very well for $1000 up here in sunny qld
marcel:thumb
marcel:thumb
Quickbug Officially Full-On Dubber
363 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
I got a quote of $3300 drive in drive out for EFI...
Not sure what gear was being used tho...
Not sure what gear was being used tho...
Grey 57 Old Grey Cruiser
2,937 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Theres a good article on injection in the December 01 Total VW mag. Mainly covers installing late mexican injected engine into Beetles using the standard factory injection gear. To over come tuning problems a socket is solderted into the ECU (Black Box) to allow tuning with a lap top and rechipping. :thumb
bus914 Custom Title Time!
1,230 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
members.aol.com/_ht_a/dvandrews/ems.htm##basics
before spending bucket loads of the mortgage paying stuff, be sure you understand what you're getting and that it's at least better than stock injection.
before spending bucket loads of the mortgage paying stuff, be sure you understand what you're getting and that it's at least better than stock injection.
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Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
That's a good link. Here's another of interest.
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/EFI%20Operation.htm
After a bit of research you'll see it's cheaper to put a complete EFI jap motor in your VW rather than trying to put EFI on your VW motor.
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/EFI%20Operation.htm
After a bit of research you'll see it's cheaper to put a complete EFI jap motor in your VW rather than trying to put EFI on your VW motor.
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vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
while we are on this subject does anyone know if the L- jetronic system as used on the 2 litre type 4 motors will work on a high po engine?
has anyone attempted this?
has anyone attempted this?
KruizinKombi Seriously Obsessed Cyber Dubber
3,493 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
No idea, but I'd like to find out!
Are you sure it was L-Jetronic? I was always under the impression that it was Bosch D-Jetronic...
Are you sure it was L-Jetronic? I was always under the impression that it was Bosch D-Jetronic...
Kruizin Kol
vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
no definately L- jetronic. i have been looking for info on this system. its very simple but i dont know whether it can be tuned for perfomance
can anyone help me out here?
can anyone help me out here?
lugnuts Custom Title Time!
1,070 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
have you been to the shoptalk forum-fuel injection they talk about this stuff endlessly,D-jet L-jet and any other jet you like aftermarket as well,enjoy.
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
The L jetronic on the 76 Kombis was good in its day but it offered no ignition control. L jetronic gets its name from the L shaped flap in the air cleaner.
Most late aftermarket systems are very good and offer a wide range of adjustment, I just cant see how you could get any motor to run properly on an adapted stock system if it differed in any way from the stock motor. When looking for an aftermarket system you need to buy a system that your local dyno guy is familiar with otherwise you will spend lots of money for the dyno guy to learn a new system. You also need to examine why you want EFI? You can get almost as good results from carbs, its only when you want to push the envelope a bit that EFI shines, like when using a turbo or looking for that last bit of perfomance.
I cant tell you how good it is not to have to do the idle jet clean and carb sync almost every month.
1302Steve
The L jetronic on the 76 Kombis was good in its day but it offered no ignition control. L jetronic gets its name from the L shaped flap in the air cleaner.
Most late aftermarket systems are very good and offer a wide range of adjustment, I just cant see how you could get any motor to run properly on an adapted stock system if it differed in any way from the stock motor. When looking for an aftermarket system you need to buy a system that your local dyno guy is familiar with otherwise you will spend lots of money for the dyno guy to learn a new system. You also need to examine why you want EFI? You can get almost as good results from carbs, its only when you want to push the envelope a bit that EFI shines, like when using a turbo or looking for that last bit of perfomance.
I cant tell you how good it is not to have to do the idle jet clean and carb sync almost every month.
1302Steve
vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
hey thanks steve, im looking at this setup due to high costs of carbies/ aftermarket injection. i think early volvos used the injection and i have seen it on a worked engine.
Zenjoe Casual Dubber
26 posts · joined Oct 2002 ·
I have worked in stock vw fuel injection systems for years and I really don't like them for performance use. Check out www.cbperformance.com they have a complete kit that performs really well and it is a simple system. It also looks like you have a set of big dual carbs!
vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
hey thanks a lot guys at least i know where im going now. looks like it back to the drawing board
kombilova
Former member ·
I have recently injected my T4 here in Sydney. I am no mechanic, and with a little help from Jeff Unwin (Hellbug) I got the job done in 2 days. It was $$$ but the difference in driving is out of sight....go for it. I went with Haltech PFI and will soon be doing the ignition the same as well. Another trip to the Dyno and the 2L is going to sing a sweeter song!
I think the expense counter acts the hassel of tuning carbs!
I think the expense counter acts the hassel of tuning carbs!
bus914 Custom Title Time!
1,230 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
looks like you went to the right place. i've got $$$ aftermarket injection done too, and it hesitates kicks and stalls.
are you using the stock dual advance distributor?
how is your air volume metered?
do you have any choke setup?
are you using the stock dual advance distributor?
how is your air volume metered?
do you have any choke setup?
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bus914 Custom Title Time!
1,230 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
it's a microtech mt-4
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
Some tuners in the US are using the CSI from Porsches, Audi & VWs. It might prove to be cheap alternative.
http://www.sandrail.com/millerfi/
1302Steve
Some tuners in the US are using the CSI from Porsches, Audi & VWs. It might prove to be cheap alternative.
http://www.sandrail.com/millerfi/
1302Steve
70AutoStik Insano Dub Head
730 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I think you'll find, unless you're a machine-code whiz kid, that the cost of getting a chip for these will far outweigh the cost of one of the locally produced aftermarket ECUs (look up Haltech, Wolf, Autronic.)
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
The CIS system doesnt need a chip, it measures airflow, no electronics involved.
bus914 Custom Title Time!
1,230 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
i got your message, i'll give you a call.:thumb
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KruizinKombi Seriously Obsessed Cyber Dubber
3,493 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
It was indeed L-Jetronic, I stand corrected. 🙂
I'll have to have a word with my mechanic about that....
I'll have to have a word with my mechanic about that....
Kruizin Kol
Secoh Fahrvergnugen
926 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
I recently picked up the entire EFI system from a caravelle water cooled van. I got the fuel pump, complete loom, digijet ecu, injectors, all sensors and TB, basically everything out of the engine bay. it cost $500. Oh, I got a dismantled 1.9L watercooled motor (dismantled) and 5sp transaxle thrown in!
Check out Zoom magazine, as they tout delco efi from the 2.0L multi point camira (how about that, they ARE good for something!) as easily adaptable to pretty much anything, and then is very tuneable to any dynotuner with access to the kalmaker software (apparently not uncommon these days).
And considering you can get camiras from between $400 to a case of beer. it doesnt matter how flogged or rusty the camira is, the EFI will still be good!
Check out Zoom magazine, as they tout delco efi from the 2.0L multi point camira (how about that, they ARE good for something!) as easily adaptable to pretty much anything, and then is very tuneable to any dynotuner with access to the kalmaker software (apparently not uncommon these days).
And considering you can get camiras from between $400 to a case of beer. it doesnt matter how flogged or rusty the camira is, the EFI will still be good!
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