I asked before, but I cant find the old thread, and from what I can remember I didnt get a reasl straight answer after Dani(lulu94) said she didnt want to cut stuff...
anyways, injected type 4 kombi motor into a beetle, will need converting to upright cooling. and need to change to the correct flywheel to work with the current swingaxle 1500/1600 gearbox.
and I remember being told something needsto be cyut to fit the EFI into a beetle, is it the manifolds or engine bay that needs to be trimmed?
sorry but it cant be done
the only way is to hack up the bug enough so the engine can be fitted in standard type4 configuration
which is not a pretty option
u end up with half of the shrouding sticking out ur decklid and valance
1. Convert t4 motor to upright kit so motor fits into beetle.
2. Chop and adjust the EFI manifold so it will all fit into the beetle body extremities without chopping the beetle. This is possible because the cabriolets 76 had efi.
mount all the efi stuff wherever you can fit it. It gets very compact.
3. Use programmable fuel only computer installed by someone with the fuel analysis computer.
4. Use a elecric fue pump and some creaetive work to surge protect the tank and recycle the fuel.
5. then efficient EFI
or
6. Put the golf diesel motor in and have better economy and run it on fish and chip diesel
Cheers tom
looking at which one opn ebay?? no, I asked the question before, its just now I think Dani is in a better financial position to buy the type 4 motor out of the kombi at the wreckers.
getting the EFI up and running isnt a drama, I'm a mechanic and have helped various friends get their injected/turbocharged rotaries up and running.
all I really needed to know, was whether the cutting that people mentioned was the car or the manifold, manifold I can do, car I can do too but Danielle doesnt want to cut up the car if avoidable.
theres a fuel injected 2L on ebay atm thought it may have been that one
late bug EFI is way way different to the kombi setup
it probably could be modified to fit but with all the rooting around involved u'd be better off rigging up a delco setup from a JE camira or N13 pulsar
the standard bosch L-jetronic isnt very tunable compared to the delco system either
but to answer ur original question Rota_mota just convert it to upright and throw on some carbs
sorry, probably should have mentioned it was out of a bus. didnt know there were different EFI setups, if we decide to go the EFI route, it wont be using the standard computer.
the story behind it, there was a camper in the wreckers I was working at, I noticed it still had the motor, opened the engine cover, and it was fuel injected, and Dani has shown me some peoples beetle buildups so I recognised it as a type 4 engine, asked about it before and got the answer will need an upright conversion and 1800?? I think they said flywheel to suit the current gearbox, but someone said something like 'it will fit if but you need to do some cutting' so I thought I'd find out exactly whats the deal.
I guess I'll have to look into whats the easiest way to do the upright conversion, spend money and buy a kit, or spend some time and brain power and do it myself. oh and I noticed someone on here is selling a type 4 motor and mentioned they also have a spare set of carbs 🙂
You may have already looked into it but there is a plethora of information on both sites. Joe Cali has a manual which you can purchase (do a search on shoptalkforums for Joe Cali) so you can do the upright conversion yourself by modifying stock type IV cylinder covers, then make an alternator stand and use a type I shroud. Or buy a kit from a supplier which uses a stock type I shroud (modified to fit a type IV oil cooler) along with fibreglass cylinder covers. Or buy a DTM kit from aircooledtechnology.com which I have but be prepared for some hefty costs. Or of course there is the porsche fan/alternator shroud conversion.
You can use a 210 or 215 type IV flywheel (not 228) as long as you have the bush machined into the centre to accept the beetle g'box input shaft. You can use a stock clutch and pressure plate then however it is recommended to use the later throw out bearing which runs on the guide tube (which can be retrofitted into an earlier box using an adaptor from aircooled.net). You can use a pressure plate adaptor ring however it is not recommended for prolonged use.
In terms of physical dimensions and fit into beetle engine bay - people always say how it is not possible but few have tried themselves. When converted to upright cooling it will fit not worries (no cutting) with carbs.....I do not run EFI so cannot comment on that (hence the recommendation for some research on the above links to people who HAVE DONE IT....so you don't have to rely on hearsay). Possibly U2U nbturbo (Gary) who runs a type IV in his oval (from memory was either running or looking at running EFI)...that would be a start.
Best of luck, the torque of a type IV even in stock form is heaps of fun.....my only advice from experience would be to spend considerable time choosing a decent cam (the stock one sucks) and possibly look at tryng to get the heads to flow a little better.
thanks dasdubber, it woulda been your extended build that I recognised the engine from 😉
I guess I'll do some research, but for now, I know it will physically fit in the engine bay, and work with the current gearbox, sp I'll get onto the old boss, hopefully he's not too pissed with me for leaving and will give me the motor for a decent price, with a little luck it will even be a good runner.
but either way, for now it will be the 'next' motor, danielle bought a judson supercharger for the current single port 1600, and she wants to use that no matter what... so I'll have to convince her that even the T4 with carbs or injection will go better than a judson equipped single port 1600.
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DUB74L wrote:i take it ur looking at the one on ebay LOL
sorry but it cant be done
the only way is to hack up the bug enough so the engine can be fitted in standard type4 configuration
which is not a pretty option
u end up with half of the shrouding sticking out ur decklid and valance
i have seen it done- a type 4 with standard pancake cooling fitted to a bug
half the decklid and valance was cut away and the fan and shrouding were hanging out
that would be the only way u could leave the FI setup intact
have u seen how huge the L-jetronic TBs are?
they arnt gonna fit around upright cooling
Think outside the square man, I've seen the standard Kombi EFI used with a Porsche Fan setup as well as a Beetle Fanhousing setup....you just need to modify the intake runners. Anything is possible with a little thought.
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i know it can be done using a porsche shroud but who would wanna spend all that money then use the crappy stock injection
a porsche fan and alternator fetch over $600 alone :o
I'm sure someone has already said this above - but I'm too lazy to read through it all...
Fitting a type IV to a Beetle can be done easily - no cutting of the bodywork is necessary - my Brother owns 2 type IV powered Beetles - one with an upright cooling kit, and the other with a Porsche fan cooling kit. Both work fine. You will have to clearance the bell housing though... and I would strongly recommend fitting a rear engine support (something that will help to take the weight of the much heavier engine).
Fitting the EFI will take some creative thinking in regards to the manifold and location of the EFI parts, but it can be done with either style of cooling system.
I have to agree with Joel though - speaking from experience, don't use the factory EFI system unless you can guarantee that the air flow thorugh the Air flow meter will be exactly the same as it would be on a stock Kombi. Any changes to the engine and in some cases the intake can cause many tuning problems - thats why we changes my Brothers car over to an aftermarket ECU (we tried to get it to run with a stock ECU/EFI system for many months before we gave up).
Give it a go - it may take a bit of effort to get it up and running initially, but once you have it working it will be well worth it!
R 🙂
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