Good Baja Engine

Learner Officially Full-On Dubber

238 posts · joined Jul 2006 · 2 Feb 2007, 1:22 pm

#569280

hey all,
i thought it would be nice to know what enging ppl put in there bajas.
I'm currently trying to decided what to do.
go for performance aftermarket vw air-cooled or go for water-cooled?
i currently have a stock 1500 with msd ignition setup

Anthiron The Baja Rejuvenation Begins

4,936 posts · joined Oct 2003 · 2 Feb 2007, 1:39 pm

#569287

i have a mostly stock 1600sp engine in mine.

speed costs money.

the stocker your engine remains the easier to get parts when it breaks offroading etc.

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aussiebaja Insano Dub Head

738 posts · joined Jun 2006 · 4 Feb 2007, 5:48 pm

#569842

mines only a 1200, might not be fast but ill still get there all the same ,ill get a bigger one when one comes along at the right price

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The_Bronze. Minister of Volkswagenism

1,922 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 4 Feb 2007, 7:51 pm

#569880

Yep - same here. Running a stock 1600tp but I have beefed up the carb and plumbed extractors running 4-2-1 for good torque.

Like the above - Speed does cost money but so does reliability. I would rather spend my money on reliability then neon lights or chrome doo dads.

Bronze.

Rathmines, Lake Macquarie, NSW.

11CAB If ya got it....Baja it

4,674 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 4 Feb 2007, 7:57 pm

#569882

Come on Bronze....you lurve your Chrome Do-dads......:P

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Learner Officially Full-On Dubber

238 posts · joined Jul 2006 · 4 Feb 2007, 11:45 pm

#569954

i'm just looking for some reliability. my engine is getting tired. i want to re build it but also get a new one. i'll probably go for another stock engine i guess. what are the performance SCat engines like? i got a friend who can provide me one if i'm interested.

64vwmark Fahrvergnugen

930 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 4 Feb 2007, 11:53 pm

#569956

I think you should go for a near stock 1600 or maybe a 1641 (87 mm pistons) with a mild cam and a 4 into 1 exhaust.

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fenrayer Wolfsburg Wizard

442 posts · joined Aug 2006 · 5 Feb 2007, 1:56 pm

#570074

We just sold our 1641. putting a subi engine in the poraga.
now we just got another beetle (going to baja this one) and we were shocked at the lack of power the stock 1300sp makes. we took for granted being able to pull over 150km/h (missing the 1641 already). the 1300 will only do 110km/h down hill! but the car came with a 1600tp which is going in this week!
when it needs a refresh it will definately get larger pistons and a cam

aussiebaja Insano Dub Head

738 posts · joined Jun 2006 · 5 Feb 2007, 4:55 pm

#570156

yeah but if your gonna baja it i dont think it will need to be that fast

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fenrayer Wolfsburg Wizard

442 posts · joined Aug 2006 · 5 Feb 2007, 8:00 pm

#570223

banshee goes 160 on the beach why not a baja?????🙂

64vwmark Fahrvergnugen

930 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 5 Feb 2007, 8:20 pm

#570240

There isn't many places that you can go 160 off road, so I wouldn't worry about that. I would be looking for an engine that has more low down torque. Some people use type 4 (Kombi) engines but I think they are too heavy. It's best to keep you car light. A lot of people swear by the stock 1600tp engine for recreational off roading. I would look for a running second hand engine in good condition and put that in. Then I would look at making it more reliable off road. For example, the most important thing to start with is a good (no, make that VERY good) air filter. Once dirt gets in the engine it will not last very long. Also I would look at fitting a skid plate underneath to protect the sump and the push rod tubes.

This is where you should start from....

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fenrayer Wolfsburg Wizard

442 posts · joined Aug 2006 · 5 Feb 2007, 8:34 pm

#570251

64vwmark wrote:There isn't many places that you can go 160 off road, so I wouldn't worry about that. I would be looking for an engine that has more low down torque. Some people use type 4 (Kombi) engines but I think they are too heavy. It's best to keep you car light. A lot of people swear by the stock 1600tp engine for recreational off roading. I would look for a running second hand engine in good condition and put that in. Then I would look at making it more reliable off road. For example, the most important thing to start with is a good (no, make that VERY good) air filter. Once dirt gets in the engine it will not last very long. Also I would look at fitting a skid plate underneath to protect the sump and the push rod tubes.

This is where you should start from....

agreed. I was just making the point that the 1641 was vaqstly superior in power delivery at the bottom end and my old motor could rev quite hard aswell!:P

[ Edited on 5-2-2007 by fenrayer ]

64vwmark Fahrvergnugen

930 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 5 Feb 2007, 11:43 pm

#570309

Your right Fenrayer.

I have a 1641 in my buggy and my mate with a 32 Ford Hotrod had trouble keeping up with me. 1641's go that's for sure, I can't imagine how good an even bigger engine would be.

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74 L Beetle
Mk4 Golf

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 6 Feb 2007, 1:41 pm

#570424

what they said. 1640s are great. stocker type 4 would be good too. lot's of torque and that. then when you get cashed up, just bung a subie EJ22 in it. Easy to get parts and a really nice engine.

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591 posts · joined May 2004 · 7 Feb 2007, 10:00 pm

#570816

my bug has a mild 1800 type 4 in it at the moment and i just got back from a week a fraser and the little beast went great i cant kill it but me being the hoon that i am im always looking for more power i will be putting in my other type4 which is a 2020cc, balanced with a MEAN cam, hyd liffters, 7mm bigger stainless steall valves, ported with a pair off webbers for a short time then efi but it dont really matter what engine you chosse it will get you there i got all around fraser with a 1640 but just slower than i do now, its only in the bush you wish you had a type 4

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The_Bronze. Minister of Volkswagenism

1,922 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 8 Feb 2007, 6:49 am

#570846

Australia Day Weekend Mick was running a 1200cc and hitting the dunes as hard as I. When it gets powdery a little more torque would be nice. His Baja is hard to catch and very nimble around the dunes compared to mine because I carry tool, a passenger and a heap of spare parts.

Bronze.

Rathmines, Lake Macquarie, NSW.

Learner Officially Full-On Dubber

238 posts · joined Jul 2006 · 8 Feb 2007, 8:53 am

#570879

so the 1641would be the way to go i guess? where can i find myself one?

kroozzn63 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,005 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 8 Feb 2007, 9:04 am

#570881

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 8 Feb 2007, 9:22 am

#570888

Learner wrote:so the 1641would be the way to go i guess? where can i find myself one?

Having had a couple of toughie 1640s in the family over the years, i agree with what's being said. BUT it's only a few percent bigger than a stocko 1600 (actually 1584cc) so don't say no to a nice 1600 if you find one...

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 8 Feb 2007, 9:56 am

#570899

Learner wrote:so the 1641would be the way to go i guess? where can i find myself one?

There are a few good engine builders down your way. AVWPC and Volkomen Art have both got good reputations. Get them to build you one up if you're not confident at engine building. Shouldn't be too exy. Round $2k and you've got a shiny new motor.

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Learner Officially Full-On Dubber

238 posts · joined Jul 2006 · 9 Feb 2007, 10:22 pm

#571386

well is it that hard for some one whose got noe idea about mechanics to try and build one? i mean what doe sit take? any special tools etc? i'm willing to spend 2k if i have too but i'd really like to try if i can do it myself. how much would i be looking for if i wanted to have a go myself?

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238 posts · joined Jul 2006 · 9 Feb 2007, 10:25 pm

#571388

i forgot to ask where are AVWPC and Volkomen Art located?

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 9 Feb 2007, 10:40 pm

#571392

Learner wrote:well is it that hard for some one whose got noe idea about mechanics to try and build one? i mean what doe sit take? any special tools etc? i'm willing to spend 2k if i have too but i'd really like to try if i can do it myself. how much would i be looking for if i wanted to have a go myself?

Just buy a good second hand one

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64vwmark Fahrvergnugen

930 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 10 Feb 2007, 1:36 pm

#571506

pete wood wrote:
Learner wrote:so the 1641would be the way to go i guess? where can i find myself one?
There are a few good engine builders down your way. AVWPC and Volkomen Art have both got good reputations. Get them to build you one up if you're not confident at engine building. Shouldn't be too exy. Round $2k and you've got a shiny new motor.

Mine cost about $4k, three years ago. maybe I was ripped off?

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 10 Feb 2007, 2:17 pm

#571512

64vwmark wrote:
pete wood wrote:
Learner wrote:so the 1641would be the way to go i guess? where can i find myself one?
There are a few good engine builders down your way. AVWPC and Volkomen Art have both got good reputations. Get them to build you one up if you're not confident at engine building. Shouldn't be too exy. Round $2k and you've got a shiny new motor.
Mine cost about $4k, three years ago. maybe I was ripped off?

Nah, I don't think so - I don't think there would be too much 'new' in a $2K engine

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Learner Officially Full-On Dubber

238 posts · joined Jul 2006 · 10 Feb 2007, 2:35 pm

#571519

nah for 2k it's pretty much a second hand but you can get a kit meaning get 90% of the engine in a box ready to be bolted together. flywheels and dist etc are not included but if i keep my original carby for the moment i basically will have a 90% brand new 2300 engine.
out of curiosity, how good is the SCAT brand?

newoldmanx Wolfsburg Wizard

468 posts · joined Aug 2006 · 22 Feb 2007, 2:25 pm

#574777

the scat brand is very good :thumb
but you wont get a 90% scat engine "kit" for anywhere near 2 thousand aussie dollaeros and if you can .......
ill have 10
pls u2u me asap
sounds like the hyge in melb is still top notch:P

[ Edited on 22-2-2007 by newoldmanx ]

its just a car for f*%k sake

Learner Officially Full-On Dubber

238 posts · joined Jul 2006 · 25 Feb 2007, 10:34 pm

#575476

sorry mat 2000 americans plus shipping to aus. still a good deal i recon

kroozzn63 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,005 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 26 Feb 2007, 9:21 am

#575528

heres mine

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newoldmanx Wolfsburg Wizard

468 posts · joined Aug 2006 · 26 Feb 2007, 1:22 pm

#575562

n.i.c.e.. do you have somethin to do with magic
performance???? did they sell the green rota baja if not pls u2u me thanks

its just a car for f*%k sake