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is a \'74 beetle any good for racing ?

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HRD 68B Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#570125
hey guys im looking at getting a '74 cheap and i wanna put my 2276 that ive got in bits into it . is there any advantage over my '68 that ive got . the '74 has drum fronts and rear which will be changed to discs and t3 rear drums. is the '74 better in any way ? i know its heavier
cheers brenton

BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#570131
Is it s 74 super? drums sounds like its a 74 std with swinger rear?
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#570134
No

Its got a Strut front end :puke stick with the torsion bars Front ends LOL

Mate there all good to race if you have the chance Go for it
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#570138
vw54 wrote:No

Its got a Strut front end :puke stick with the torsion bars Front ends LOL

Mate there all good to race if you have the chance Go for it
If it is a 1974 Aussie spec car with drums, it will more than likely be a 1300 twin-port. No advantage over a 1968 model for racing, that I can think of... Same (swing axle)suspension, although it could be argued the gearbox is a) stronger and b) has slightly lower gearing

If it is a Super, it will have a curved windscreen...?

Therefore different suspension - trailing arm rear and strut front - and more overall mass

And yeah they're all good to race!!
Pay your debts, CxxT

HRD 68B Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#570163
hey guys sorry i forgot to mention it was a std , so the gear box is stronger ? , how much power can they handle is your care full , im building a 2276 i herd around 150 is the max if you drive really carefull ?
cheers brenton

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#570265
matey, 'race' and 'drive carefully' don't exist in the same sentnce
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HRD 68B Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#570353
i want the car to handle well and then once i get some more dollars new gbox to handle the power. thats what i meant . so i would have to drive carefully on the old gearbox till i can really get on it with a stronger gearbox and axles .
cheers brenton

HRD 68B Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#570355
really i want to know if i should fix up a '74 im getting into a race and keep my '68 low or should i just fix and sell the '74 ? i was thinking it wouldnt matter if i cut the rear to tie the horns in etc . wheres i dont really want to do that to my 68
cheers brenton

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#570473
Um, no-one but you can answer that question
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HRD 68B Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#570474
alrite so the conclusion is that the '74 is similar to a '68 except it has a alt and is heavier. but stronger and shorter gearbox.
cheers brenton

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#570476
If your going to go Racing seriously i would be over hauling the gearbox especially if its been around the clock a few times .

The front discs wont be too hard to change to a later model theres a little more work in changing the rears

Good luck let us know how the racing goes
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tayloredvw Seriously Crusin Dubber

165 posts · joined May 2006 ·

#572711
hey man any beetle is good for racing, but which model is personal preference.

Me ive owned and driven the torsion bugs and raced one at a street sprint and just recently bought a 75 l bug and for me id preferr throwing around the l-bug.

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#572725
More work required to get an L to handle, plus they're heavier
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#572731
Hi

Torsion bars front end cars are OK for the sort of racing where you don't need suspension, like hill climbs or drags where you just need the front end to rare up to transfer weight, but anything that requires high speed finesse, go struts.

If your talking about supers being heavier, I've done jobbies that weigh more than the difference in weight

Steve

[ Edited on 14-2-2007 by 1303Steve ]

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#572734
Don't need suspension in hillclimbs WTF...............I think you need to race in a hillclimb !!!!


1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#572737
only stirring C..T.., look who bit

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#572741
I'd love to see a 90kg terd!


1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#572743
got a picture of Dave?

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#572795
hehehehhe


1916 Officially Full-On Dubber

208 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#572876
surely seeings as supers have struts/irs they would handle that little bit better??
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#572967
yeah, kinda, sorta, but it's more difficult to get appropriate settings into the front end
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BRUTUS Officially Full-On Dubber

255 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#574490
Brenton, did you get any further in thoughts on '74 L-bug vs Ball Joint fronted beetle?

Brutus has ball-joint front & 4-joint rear, but that was a choice made many years ago, and it was specifically bought to get that set-up. At that time, prevailing opinions were against Struts for track work (they couldn't readily be lowererd/ stiffened etc. then) but times have changed obviously!
...

Sorry just re-read & see it is a standard '74, suppose it is a 1300 with swing axle rear. If so both your cars have the same suspension & brake set-up - so n ot much to choose, just pick the 'less nice' car for racing! But, better to sell one & get a better type for racing? eg S or L bug if you like struts, or semi-auto or '76 if you prefer front beam. EITHER way I'd go for a 4-joint rear unless you're only doing drags. I'm not sure if it's worth changing bakes for drags or hillclimbs. (Do discs really weigh much less anyway?) If you're doing longer/sprints could be a good idea.

[ Edited on 21-2-2007 by BRUTUS ]
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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#574494
hey I am only 83 Kgs not a F A T as you boys LOL

And when was the last time Eileen let you on the track steve
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