hey spook, not everyone disagrees with you.
I've not had a bone to pick about a supplier/individual or whatever, but think its important that people who have can share their experiences to let others make up their own mind and potentially prevent them making the same mistake, getting ripped off etc.
I think the caution displayed by the mods is a reflection of what is happening in society in general. Fear litigation, fear terrorists, fear fast food, fear running out of water.
I'm begining to regret using that particular thread as an example for all this, because that's all it was, an example.
I'm not arguing with WHAT the moderators do, but how & why
I have also pointed out that a hell of a lot of threads end up foul because of off topic comments.
Take this little gem
Spellbound wrote:Is that the end now?
Heaven forbid any of you folks actually face a real challenge in life :|
Let me say this, today marks 20 years service driving trains. I think I get a certificate & shake hands with some politician.
In that 20 years, if you can hit it with a train I have, with the exception of another train & I've never hit a wombat.
Of those who thought they were quicker than my train, 7 were not. 4 dead, 3 maimed.
The only reason my wife knows something is amiss is I get home early & take the rest of the week off. It's not something you discuss at dinner.
I've stood in front of the coroner, because I must have swerved to get mothers little precious.
You want a stressful situation, try that. It's a great game.
That's just work.
Then this puppy wants to speak about a real challenge.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Dasdubber wrote:the fundamental purpose of having such a forum - that is a place for people to come and enjoy themselves.
???
I thought it was for sharing of information and experiences?
Oh yeah, it isn't. Especially when well proven dickheads are taken seriously and keep spruicking thier bullshit and when people expose their folly it is those threads/replies that get deleted.
Not much fun to be experienced by any naive soul who takes any of the advice so regularly offered up by at least one completely dodgy, many-times-over-proven-lacking shade tree mechanic. But any one that isn't all happy bunnies and love beads dare point out the obvious their posts disappear!
Spook wrote:I'm begining to regret using that particular thread as an example for all this, because that's all it was, an example.
I'm not arguing with WHAT the moderators do, but how & why
I have also pointed out that a hell of a lot of threads end up foul because of off topic comments.
Take this little gem
Spellbound wrote:Is that the end now?
Heaven forbid any of you folks actually face a real challenge in life :|
Let me say this, today marks 20 years service driving trains. I think I get a certificate & shake hands with some politician.
In that 20 years, if you can hit it with a train I have, with the exception of another train & I've never hit a wombat.
Of those who thought they were quicker than my train, 7 were not. 4 dead, 3 maimed.
The only reason my wife knows something is amiss is I get home early & take the rest of the week off. It's not something you discuss at dinner.
I've stood in front of the coroner, because I must have swerved to get mothers little precious.
You want a stressful situation, try that. It's a great game.
That's just work.
Then this puppy wants to speak about a real challenge.
My point exactly spook...
I just don't understand why we need two pages of whining about a deleted thread/topic/post. Surely there are bigger things in life to worry about.
I just don't understand what it is you want from the mods. Do you want your thread/topic/post/s back?? What ever it is, what does that have to do with the rest of us? If you think you know who it is surely you could sort your issue out with them via u2u.
Time to move on... Puppy!
[ Edited on 5-2-2007 by Spellbound ]
If its that bad, there is a solution. First word starts with F second word starts with O. Winging ungratefulls.
[ Edited on 6-2-2007 by Hertz ]
Click the Beetle
I must be one of very few that don't read a thread if it doesn't interest me. I certainly don't comment.
Spellbound; your dead right. It doesn't need to be two pages & if the posts not related to the thread were deleted, 3 of which are yours, it wouldn't be.
You don't understand what I want?
It's written there 3 times.
Hertz; who is ungrateful? the opening post clearly states that I do appreciate the effort.
The way it's done I have an issue with.
Frenzix; Are you starting to see my point?
:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Fair enuff champ...whine on.
* writes mental note to self - Only read and reply to threads I agree with *
[ Edited on 6-2-2007 by Spellbound ]
spook, fair enough.. i have a low tollerance to #$%#wits and that's why on dsk i delete any %^#wits that post!
1 Full post may not be required to be deleted. Only the bits offensive.
2 If your post is deleted or suspended, then the original thread poster should be sent a u2u by the moderator who deleted or suspended the thread. NOT by any other moderator.
Also i think spook is trying to state that instead of a personal U2U. Maybe the thread should be replaced with an explanation to all by the moderator who deletes or suspends the thread explaining why the thread has been deleted.
which i think is a better way of doing it. Only because not everyone is fully aware of the laws. there for people sit there scratching their heads wondering where and why has the post gone.
Is this what you are saying Spook?
If not i will go sit back in my little corner and think a little longer. 😀
Jasmine the 75 L Bug
56 oval, 2000 New Beetle
Spook wrote:I must be one of very few that don't read a thread if it doesn't interest me. I certainly don't comment.
Nope, theres two of us.
"all the arguing is bringing me down man" :jesus
well dont read it!
I see another person has finally got your point spook... another 5 or 6 pages and the rest might get it too. :thumb Seems perfectly reasonable to me... I think I had the same beef a few years ago... cant think of any reason why it cant be made a hard and fast rule. Will still get arguments over the merits of a post deletion, but at least the rest of the thread remains.
I move a resolution: "If an opening post is offensive etc, delete the thread, if a reply post is offensive etc, delete/edit the post in question only."
[ Edited on 6-2-2007 by amazeer ]
I also understand him...just because I didn't jump up and down and say it...well, doesn't mean I didn't.
And I think he's right (who'd ever think I'd say that...)
Spook isn't saying whether or not the actual original post/thread was right or wrong...what he has been trying to say is...removing a WHOLE thread, when it may have been simply a post or two that required removing...well...it seems extreme.
Simple
And it is even more evident when the thread may have been three or four pages long.
Everyone else who may be adding constructive comments and critisms may be suffering for the actions of a few silly ppl. Why not simply lose those comments, keep the thread, have a standard statement used when changing....such as 'post removed by xxxx as it currently voilates the following rule of AVD....." done. ppl know why it got removed etc etc and since there are examples of this already...well...we know it can be done...(helbus has done it, as well as dasdubber)
And, I think it then brings another part of Spooks request into play...a set of standards which are to be used by the moderators.....
In the long run, the set of standards to be used by the moderators helps them know how to act whilst 'cleaning up' the forum, but it also means that we as users of the forum know how we are to act...each and every time....
It brings accountability to us as users, and moderators alike....
see....simple :kiss
cheers
Beb
dubless. 🥲
🥷 And who the helled parked the Mitsubishi "Prancer" under my house??? 🥷
HAHAHA reading this is quite funny, i do agree that the threads shoudl be left and only the post deleted...
Isnt AVD about 'Helping out a dubber',If this means stoping someone from doing an unfair deal or even
making people aware of dodgy vw suppliers or whatever then i say THankyou.... We are hear to meet new
& help people and talk vw's.
SPELLBOUND
"I just don't understand why we need two pages of whining about a deleted thread/topic/post. Surely there are bigger things in life to worry about."
Are you not aware that you have 4 post in these 2 pages of 'whinning'
~Ella
Thank f#ck for that!
I was begining to think I was speaking swahili.
Ella, your on the right track, but, you can't slam a business.
I agree that it would be good to know who to avoid, but the legal side of it aint worth the grief.
But having said that, I regularly deal with 3 VW businesses, I've never had a drama with any. But I know others who have, & wouldn't speak to one, or all, of the same people.
The fact of the matter is, that by locking a thread & stating why, the mods would actually absolve themselves.
THIS IS PURELY AN EXAMPLE
If a thread was locked by Sqizzy with a post saying
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This thread is locked because of continual derogatory comments by Spook
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Who they gunna come gunning for.
Two problems solved.
Everyone knows who was responsible for locking the thread & why, as well as who was actually responsible for the problem.
Now, Spellbound did ask a reasonable question; Why aren't I doing this by u2u?
And I'll give it a dignified answer.
EVERY member of the forum is entitled to start a new topic.
EVERY person that hits this site can read that topic.
EVERY member can reply to that topic.
I am asking for a change to be made in the way things are done. As any change affects EVERY member, the discussion should be available to EVERY member.
Since I have been the most "vocal" opponent of changes being made & we mere serfs being TOLD afterwards, it would be hypocritical for me to do it any other way.
Frenzix:
I've also said many times, you can't take away someones right to be an arsehole. This is what makes up a forum, because as I've written earlier, most of these people wouldn't even think of arguing with me face to face. But a line has to be drawn.
[ Edited on 7-2-2007 by Spook ]
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
I think it's vital the moderators protect the site (OUR SITE) from those seeking to use it to maliciously to damage others, whether it be a business, or otherwise. It is they and the authors of the post who will be held accountable.. but the price will be paid by all of us when as a result of a lose thread or post, or a claim that can't be substantiated, the site gets closed down. We are a powerful consumer group.. that gives us strength, but it also gives a business who thinks their reputation has been damaged by a post or thread a strong case to argue it has damaged their business, among it's core consumer group. There's no need to publish names or identifiable attributes.. just don't buy from them and don't recommend them to others on the forum.
Spook I think what you're on about is censorship.. I'm sure the mods would rather not remove posts or threads but it seems to me what you're asking is for them to go through and delete individual words, posts etc. which is a lot to ask. If the thread was that important too you, perhpas you should be more diligant in what you write.
It's important to see the bigger picture here, how something seemingly trivial could land us in the shit... with freedom comes reponsibility.
[ Edited on 7-2-07 by soft notch ]
In the worlds before Monkey primal chaos reigned. heaven sought order, but he pheonix can fly only when its feathers are grown. the 4 worlds formed again and yet again, as the endless aoens weild and passed. Time and the pure essence of heaven and the moisture of the earth all worked upon a certain rock old as creation. And it became mgically fertile. That first egg was named "Thought". Thathaga Buddha, the father Buddha, said with our thoughts we make the world. Elemental forces caused the egg to hatch and from it came a stone monkey! The nature of MONKEY WAS IREPRESSIBLE!!!!! !
soft notch wrote:I think it's vital the moderators protect the site (OUR SITE) from those seeking to use it to maliciously to damage others, whether it be a business, or otherwise. It is they and the authors of the post who will be held accountable.. but the price will be paid by all of us when as a result of a lose thread or post, or a claim that can't be substantiated, the site gets closed down. We are a powerful consumer group.. that gives us strength, but it also gives a business who thinks their reputation has been damaged by a post or thread a strong case to argue it has damaged their business, among it's core consumer group. There's no need to publish names or identifiable attributes.. just don't buy from them and don't recommend them to others on the forum.
Spook I think what you're on about is censorship.. I'm sure the mods would rather not remove posts or threads but it seems to me what you're asking is for them to go through and delete individual words, posts etc. which is a lot to ask. If the thread was that important too you, perhpas you should be more diligant in what you write.
It's important to see the bigger picture here, how something seemingly trivial could land us in the shit... with freedom comes reponsibility.
[ Edited on 7-2-07 by soft notch ]
Go back 2 pages, read ALL of it, then comment.
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I agree that it would be good to know who to avoid, but the legal side of it aint worth the grief.
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That's in the post directly above yours.
Where have I said "individual words"?
It is sort of about censorship. Cut out the offending posts as opposed to the blanket ban of an entire topic.
If you read the rules of the forum, at no stage is whole topics being deleted mentioned. Just individual messages.
But more importantly, it's about the mods laying claim to deleting topics & giving a valid reason. Rather than the 4 day cat & mouse game I've played to find out who deleted mine (which was not about a business & if you had read the whole f#cking thing you'd know that too)
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Have a look at this thread now. How many off topic posts do you see?
Silly, smartarse little comments, put there for no other purpose than to get a bite.
While I see it as a minor annoyance, I have seen this sort of stupidity escalate & get threads wiped.
But having said that, it is one of the reasons I enjoy using this forum.
Because none of these people would dare try it to my f#cking face.
Does that make sense?
[ Edited on 5-2-2007 by Spook ] [/quote]
Not really.
Are you saying one of the reasons you enjoy this forum is.....
1.you like being annoyed by smartarse little comments?2.you like to bite at these comments?
3. you find humour in their transparent futility?
or
4.you get some odd enjoyment from the fact that even though people you know dare not try it to your face, they have no problem trying it here?
If I ever had a thread or post deleted, I would hope that the specific reasons for the subsequent action be expressed via u2u by the moderator responsible.
Hey Pete... If you said let it go, move on that many times to me I would flip.
Matt
Folks,
Please see the Forum News post.
thanks,
Andrew
HotRodMatt wrote:Dasdubber wrote:the fundamental purpose of having such a forum - that is a place for people to come and enjoy themselves.
???
I thought it was for sharing of information and experiences?
Oh yeah, it isn't. Especially when well proven dickheads are taken seriously and keep spruicking thier bullshit and when people expose their folly it is those threads/replies that get deleted.
Not much fun to be experienced by any naive soul who takes any of the advice so regularly offered up by at least one completely dodgy, many-times-over-proven-lacking shade tree mechanic. But any one that isn't all happy bunnies and love beads dare point out the obvious their posts disappear! [/quote
Matt
u are right but not many are listening.
best of luck
Its been so long since I heard you say that Jak, I was convinced you were secretly building one like glen and craig torrens.
Why did my text end up in mats Quotation box ?
:jesus:jesus:jesus:jesus:jesus
56astro wrote:Cause that's where ya typed it
VW car, VW engine ...... keepin it "real"
35MPG on 101.3kPa
