WTD: 1300 IRS Bug gearbox in WA

Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 21 Apr 2007, 10:54 am

#586363

Looking for a 1300 IRS Beetle gearbox in known good condition (not interested in taking chances unless its very cheap!).

Its the one with the 4.375 Rack & Pinion, and i believe the code on the side of the gearbox should be one of:

AA AB AD AE AG AM AP AX

Am in WA.

Cheers for helping

Sam

SamandKelly at googlemail.com
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 21 Apr 2007, 1:27 pm

#586402

I think you mean 'ring and pinion' and its also a swingaxle box.:thumb not IRS.

Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 21 Apr 2007, 6:36 pm

#586460

Yes, i meant ring & pinion 🙄

No, i meant IRS (with CV joints for putting into my splitty IRS set-up)

bond Veteran Volks Folk

2,456 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 21 Apr 2007, 6:50 pm

#586461

what late 1300 in oz was irs? maybe in the uk? - i thought all late 1300s were swingers. richard holtz converted one or two to irs? from memory....

nick

[ Edited on 21-4-2007 by bond ]

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 21 Apr 2007, 9:14 pm

#586489

Samblers wrote:Yes, i meant ring & pinion 🙄

No, i meant IRS (with CV joints for putting into my splitty IRS set-up)

No 1300 IRS. So what you are looking for - ie: all that is available - is a Super Beetle box which is IRS and has a 4.12 ratio

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Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 21 Apr 2007, 9:41 pm

#586495

Shit! :o

Hadn't thought that 1300 IRS'd gearboxes never made it to Aus.

You got me worried so have just done some more research and now 100% sure that an 'AM' code gearbox is definitely an 1300 IRS with the ratios i'm chasing - it was in the saloon and cabrio from 8/70

so, AM box, anyone?

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 21 Apr 2007, 10:17 pm

#586501

mate, as we say down here: Two chances - none and Buckley's :P

But you never know, you might find someone who is parting-out a private import...

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Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 21 Apr 2007, 10:40 pm

#586504

so nothing changes for the splitty then - always chasing rocking horse shit!

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 22 Apr 2007, 12:07 am

#586512

Any IRS bug or TIII box will do the job Sam.... The minor ratio differences will make little difference on the road for the average user.... Any TIII box will be a better option for you though.... They are far more plentifull and cheaper than the SSB's.... That said... getting any parts here in Perth is tough these days as we don't have a dedicated VW wrecker anymore....

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Apr 2007, 12:34 am

#586517

Hi

Our 1302 and 1303s were all 1600 cc, we never had 1300 cc 1302 or 1303s.

Steve

Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 22 Apr 2007, 12:41 am

#586519

Simon

I've worked out the differences and chewed it over:

Bascically i'm sticking with the 1600 single port but dont think it'll have the oomf to drive a type 3 box (a good 10% 'taller' than the 1300 bug box, and taller than the equivalent bay window with same engine) though many in Pommyland fit these... there seems to be a rapacious desire for top end end speed with IRS conversions but 70mph is fine for me and i'd rather have some in the bag for climbing hills.

But, looks like i havent got much choice (i have a type 3 box available)

Sam

p.s. glad to see the new No H20 is coming - where do i sign?!

[ Edited on 21/4/2007 by Samblers ]

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 22 Apr 2007, 9:23 am

#586547

Yes, your ideas/theory is correct, but the available Aussie hardware isn't 👎

Try a smaller tyre...?

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Menangler Custom Title Time!

1,991 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Apr 2007, 10:07 am

#586551

If you want a 4.375 ring and pinion, get a late 1300 swinger box and convert it to IRS, it's not hard at all, CT has one in his silver Oval. worth doing for a Splitty and a stock engine.
Dave

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Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 22 Apr 2007, 11:01 am

#586556

Didnt know this could be done - how would i go about it?

bond Veteran Volks Folk

2,456 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 22 Apr 2007, 11:13 am

#586558

richard holtz converted one or two to irs? from memory....

nick

Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 22 Apr 2007, 12:06 pm

#586573

Did a search on Richard Holtz

???

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 22 Apr 2007, 2:55 pm

#586589

1303Steve wrote:Hi

Our 1302 and 1303s were all 1600 cc, we never had 1300 cc 1302 or 1303s.

Steve

I was just talking about OEM IRS box's that are available Steve.... Sam would be better off sticking with what is actually available here in Oz... unless he wanted to build a box with specific ratios that is....

Samblers wrote:Didnt know this could be done - how would i go about it?

Most any Dub shop could do it, but I would suggest you talk Mike at Volkshop in O'Connor... He's the local trans specialist in Perth (apart from the performance crowd that is).... Been done plenty of times.... But the critical thing is getting the Diff mesh/lash correct.... Can be a little tough to do without a total rebuild.... Its a little bit of a gamble is all....

[ Edited on 22-4-2007 by humpty ]

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 22 Apr 2007, 3:07 pm

#586590

Samblers wrote:Did a search on Richard Holtz

???

Don't think Richard is here, but his boys are... Dieter and Alex (scuse the spelling)..... Shimo did one for me years ago.... It worked fine for years.... It can be done.....

On another note.... A TIII box with a solid single port 1600 will be fine in a splitty.... Infact I have just done a straight axle conversion in a mates bus and it flys!

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 22 Apr 2007, 5:40 pm

#586640

It's spelled Holzl

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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 22 Apr 2007, 8:36 pm

#586688

I'd use someone that actually builds gearboxes for a living, not just a hobby!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Apr 2007, 10:03 pm

#586721

humpty wrote:I was just talking about OEM IRS box's that are available Steve.... Sam would be better off sticking with what is actually available here in Oz... unless he wanted to build a box with specific ratios that is....

Samblers wrote:Hi Simon

That what I was trying to tell him. I wasn't sure if he was aware that we didn't have that model in Australia.

Steve

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236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 22 Apr 2007, 11:38 pm

#586741

Thanks for all your help guys... I think the sensible thing to do would be

1. Have a rummage through the gearbox pile at volkswest, just in case there is an 'AM' code box (you never know!)
2. Stick the type 3 box in, see how i like the ratios. It might be OK, but i'm suspecting it'll be too tall, especially for a loaded camper up in the hills.
3. If that fails, find a 1300 swinger and speak to Mike at Volksshop, use the type 3 box bits to do the conversion.

Sam

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 22 Apr 2007, 11:49 pm

#586743

1303Steve wrote:
humpty wrote:I was just talking about OEM IRS box's that are available Steve.... Sam would be better off sticking with what is actually available here in Oz... unless he wanted to build a box with specific ratios that is....

Samblers wrote:Hi Simon

That what I was trying to tell him. I wasn't sure if he was aware that we didn't have that model in Australia.

Steve
No problem Steve.... Sometimes I think I might not be explicit enough... Just though I'd clarify what I said.... It pays to sometimes.....:thumb

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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 23 Apr 2007, 7:46 am

#586765

Samblers wrote:Thanks for all your help guys... I think the sensible thing to do would be

1. Have a rummage through the gearbox pile at volkswest, just in case there is an 'AM' code box (you never know!)
2. Stick the type 3 box in, see how i like the ratios. It might be OK, but i'm suspecting it'll be too tall, especially for a loaded camper up in the hills.
3. If that fails, find a 1300 swinger and speak to Mike at Volksshop, use the type 3 box bits to do the conversion.

Sam

Good Plan.

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 23 Apr 2007, 4:44 pm

#586835

Hmmm, having a re-think, I may be better just swopping the R&P out in my current stock set-up and making it into a ‘freeway flier’ trans.

I don’t plan to lower it after all.

Cheers for the info and guidance though – all useful

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 23 Apr 2007, 8:24 pm

#586913

You need to go for a ride in a splitty that doesn't have RGB's..... You'll wonder how the hell you put up with those dang things!

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Samblers Officially Full-On Dubber

236 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 24 Apr 2007, 12:27 am

#586972

You might be right there 😉