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DubCrazy Custom Title Time!

1,295 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#592623
i am looking for ideas to why i keep burning starters out, i have had a auto electrician look at it and the wiring is fine but when i turn and engage the starter it draws a massive current and turns over so slowly. I have tryed a number or staters inculind re-con'd ones but still its the same. anyone got any ideas??? I have replaced all wiring to the staters and from the starter , a new bush was fitted where the stater throws out into the bell house. i am lost and dont know where to go now, what u think?? any idea will be helpfull and beer will flow if some bright spark works it out :thumb

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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#592627
is the bush in bell housing that the end of starter sits in badly worn???? is it a stardard 1200 motor??
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DubCrazy Custom Title Time!

1,295 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#592669
the motor turns over fine by hand ( spanner) so its all failry free,certainly not tight enough to casue this problem

the bush in the bell housing is brand new and the old one wasnt to but but as a precation i changed it.

no its not a standard 1200 its a 1776

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greedy53 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,062 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#592681
there was a selanoid set up that delivered full 12 volt to the starter damed if i can find it
have you tryed using a scrw driver or something to short across the main power wire on the starter to the small wire on starter near it if this turnes it over well the problem is in the wiering and make sure the earth is tight and has a good earth strap to motor is ok
hope it helps
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#592685
is this the same car you were looking to get a 12v alternator for?

DubCrazy Custom Title Time!

1,295 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#592701
yes it is dumone and we did get one from classic in sydney, its been fitted and the auto electrician has checked the wiring and its all good...




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koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#592718
Will a 12v one fit?
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plebs Casual Dubber

47 posts · joined Dec 2006 ·

#592740
So you are running a 6v starter in a 12v conversion and are wondering why it's burning out ?

Or have I got that wrong ?
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Anthiron The Baja Rejuvenation Begins

4,936 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#592742
i also run a 6 volt starter and dont have problems with a 12volt system so thats not it plebs.
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greedy53 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,062 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#592786
no that wont hurt a great idea for lively starts sounds like u got the oppersit must ponder this further
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greedy53 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,062 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#592787
is there a good earth from the body to the engine block
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OZ Towdster Keen to finish some projects

1,921 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#592788
I had a similar problem a few years ago and as greedy53 said have you got a good Earth which when mine was playing up i didn't , so to fix it i ran a 13mm earth cable from the battery directly to the bottom bolt of the starter motor where it bolts to the bell housing plus also cleaned up the earth cable from the nose of the gearbox to the floor pan and once all done never another problem.
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vwrallycar Insano Dub Head

721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#592804
do you run the starter through a relay?

DubCrazy Custom Title Time!

1,295 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#592836
The conversion is not a problem, a 6 volt starter will last for years on a 12 volt system

its a brand new earth lead as are all other leads to and from the starter, it was one of the first things we changed but i will double check its earthing well but i dotn think its a problem as the auto electrician tested all wiring and found no problems

no we are not running it through a relay but someone did suggest doing so

had the starter checked again today on the bench and all good so its not there..

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1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#592853
>no its not a standard 1200 its a 1776 <

Another stupid question!!! If it's a 1776 is it a flywheel off a 12 volt system which is fitted to the engine?????? Did you fit it yourself or some dumb...ss who did it and didn't tell you. If you didn't fit it yourself then the only way to check is remove the engine. The 12 v flywheel is slightly larger and different pitch teeth and is sure to slow the cranking and burn the 6v starter motors out as the pinion jams on the flywheel. If you didn't do it yourself TRUST NO ONE!! Save all this typing as well as money and check it out!

DH



[ Edited on 22/5/2007 by 1500S ]

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#592855
I posted the same question then deleted it as I thought it was a dumb one !! could be the problem though :thumb

[ Edited on 22-5-07 by Craig Torrens ]


1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#592859
Too many of our fellow Veedubbers trust the "expert" Craig and never look at the big picture. I had a storeman at work who drove me crazy with an XE Falcon which had similar problems but mainly kept bending the starter shaft. Problem ended up being a wrong match pinon/ring gear. Changed the flexplate and problem solved but only after I refused to straighten it again!

DH

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#592861
Did you put it on??

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[ Edited on 22/5/2007 by 1500S ]

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#592865
You've disappeared with that last post so I guess you are checking it out. Let's know the result.

DH

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[ Edited on 22/5/2007 by 1500S ]

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#592876
If your running a 6v starter on a 12V flywheel then you will ALWAYS have problems

you need 6v to 6V flywheel or 12V to 12V flywheel DONT interchange

yes your right a 6v starter will last a long time with 12V power going through it, but will burn out quicker than a standard unit

also directly earth the starter by fitting new cable to the starter mounting bolt
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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#592877
as 1500s says check out the flywheel thats fitted to your engine and then match the starter to it

If you didn't do it yourself TRUST NO ONE!! Save all this typing as well as money and check it out!
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


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DubCrazy Custom Title Time!

1,295 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#592997
FIXED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha


no it wasnt the fly wheel i put the 6 volt on myself but the thing i didnt do myself, the bush! the mechanic fitted it. today when i was once again going over everything i noticed it had a fine line which turned out to be a crack, fitted another new one and its spinning fine, drawing perfect current and doing its job perfect!!!

dont know if it was damaged while fitting or was already done but the little bastard has been a real thorn in my side.

thanks to everyone who gave suggestions now to finish the last couple of bits and drive the sucker!!!!!


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bushed Wolfsburg Elder

3,541 posts · joined Dec 2006 ·

#593001
only thing i didn't supply failed
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