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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627138
I have always had type 3 cooling tin on My type 1 engine

Only thing I don't like . is that its chromed...

Anyone else run type 3 cylinder cooling tinware on a type 1 upright engine?

Any comments ??

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#627141
huh?

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#627143
wtf? do u mean under the cylinders ie; deflectors???
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627144
Hi

I think they call them cool tins, there has been some debate on other forums about their usefulness.

Steve

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627154
Yes, the proper name would be type 3 air deflectors that sit under the cylinders...

the ones on a beetle engine are roughly just a square piece of sheet metal...
that sits under the cylinders...

the type 3 cool tin is a much more complicated piece of tin wear...

but it was never used on beetle engines??

I'm thinking of taking mine off and replacing them with the standard beetle type..

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#627156
better than none I reckon.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627161
Hi Lee

There must be a reason that VW never fitted them to type 1 or 2 motors.

Steve

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627162
Yes Steve
I've been thinking that...
seeing the fan is different and in a different place..

so maybe type 3 cool tin is for type 3s only...

I'll replace them with type 1 cool tin..

Lee

http://www.superbeetles.com/home.htm
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#627230
68AutoBug wrote:Yes Steve
I've been thinking that...
seeing the fan is different and in a different place..

so maybe type 3 cool tin is for type 3s only...

I'll replace them with type 1 cool tin..

Lee

http://www.superbeetles.com/home.htm
they were used on kombi motors too.........

you won't get the cool tins off without the engine out and the heads removed 🤖

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627234
Ive been using them do appear to have any probs ??

they do make the air flow more direct and surround the barrels
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627238
Hi

I guess its no accident that Type 3 motors and Type 4 motors both have horizontal cooling air flow from a crank mounted fan and both need elaborate under cylinder tin ware.

Steve

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#627241
Also interesting to note that early Type 3 motors used the type 1 under cylnder tin also.

Since the info about the under cylinder tin came from VW it may help to take their advice,
but I would not go ripping into your engine just to change that.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627246
Hi

Another problem faced when you fit these, is most original Type 3 tins were set-up for 10 mm head studs, if you fit these to 8 mm they rattle around unless steps are taken change the stud hole size.

Care must also be taken when fitting them to larger than stock cylinders as they can interfere with the fins and not allow proper head sealing or push the pushrod tubes away.

Steve

Matt Ryan Fahrvergnugen

890 posts · joined Jan 2006 ·

#627252
Lee,

Here is a discussion on the subject from almost a year ago, there is also a link in it to experiments done by Jake Raby using both types of tin. He reckons there's not much advantage with type 3 tin in a type 1 setup & others reckon that in a type 1 the type 3 tins can more easily collect muck ( dust stuck to oil) and actually make things hotter.

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60085&page=1#pid569479


Regards,

Matt.


http://portvwforum.freeforums.org

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#627312
Thanks Matt,

I have the engine out and I'm going to replace the type 3 cool tin with standard tinware for a type 1..

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---