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acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#640223
Hi getting towards the pointy end of things with the conversion and found that my starter is not the right one to crank the engine! very frustrating. Am i right in assuming that you need a 2ltr starter if using a 1600 box?

If so does anyone have one that i can get or a complete 2ltr box with starter cause it seems like the better option with gearing.

Thanks
Andy

ratbug aka toddy101

439 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#640234
Nah, you only use the 2ltr starter if using the 2ltr gearbox or bellhousing. How come it's not the right one? not engaging, or is it struggling to turn over? I could turn my E20 N/A engine with the stock 1600 starter, and now that i've got a 2ltr box, the 2ltr starter turns it over as well. Its not the best, it sounds like it struggles, but I also have a puny battery. I am looking at getting a hi-torque starter to relieve the stress a bit.
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Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#640293
My 2L starter was slowing down when the engine was hot. At dubs by the pub it temporarily didn't turn over fast enough to start. So I just bought a new (remanufactured) 2L starter from ebay in the US (about AU$215 with shipping) and now it starts perfectly, hot or cold. It starts hot with all the electrics on (high beam and everything). When I replaced it I noticed the old bush in the bellhousing was a little worn, so I replaced it with the new one that came with the starter (got the old one old by screwing an M12 tap into it).

I doubt the high torque starters are needed. My V6 is 2.5L with 10:1 compression and the stock 2L unit works just fine.
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acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#640360
I've got a 1600 box with a 2ltr bellhousing which means that i can run the 218mm clutch(the old engine was a 1600) but i didnt know about this little problem untill i tried to crank it over and no go.
Its good to get confirmation about whats wrong and really its not a big deal. But if you know anyone with a 2ltr starter or even a 2ltr box with starter point them in my direction please 😂 really want to hear this thing going!!

Andy

kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects

124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#640419
hey andy
if u are running the 2L bellhousing then yes the starter is different to the starter motor from the 1600 it has a different shaft throw and different drive gear from the 1600 starter
either talk to volks conversions for a torque starter (think around $400) or buy a good BOSCH starter motor (only buy a BOSCH one for better build quality etc )
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#640438
Where abouts are you? You could borrow my old one to try.
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ratbug aka toddy101

439 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#640454
There was one for sale on here a couple of days ago in the 4sale section.
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acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#640468
I'm in townsville which usually means that i'm a bloody long way from anyone!! i sent a message to the guy that had that starter but i'm sort of leaning towards getting a new one cause if i'm going to spend about 200 on an old one why not get the new one that i never have to worry about?!

mackaymanx Custom Title Time!

1,611 posts · joined Jan 2006 ·

#640470
Have you tried Wilson's VW Services down here in Mackay, he's got alot of stuff give him a ring.

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Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#640471
Go to US ebay and buy this - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250225986587

That is the starter I bought. US$149 + US$47 shipping. Took 7 days to arrive. Works fantastic. Just message the guy first and get him to confirm the shipping to Townsville, which I guess will be a little more than to Brisbane.
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
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acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#640473
I have sent that ebay guy a message and i will give the mackay no a call tommorow. but that was going to be the question i was going to ask do i just ask for a starter for a 091 or just one for a 2ltr box?

kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects

124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#640523
091 and 2L are the same
it aint just cool its aircool'd

acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#643673
Got the starter motor today and trial fitted it to the engine and for the first time since i have had the engine it has cranked over!!!! So now i have to get all the little connections and blankings done so i can put the engine in and try and get it started for proper. Thanks for all the help in getting the starter.

Andy

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#643693
Cool. So where did you buy the starter from in the end (and what type did you get)?
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www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.

Adsman Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined Jan 2007 ·

#643696
So your from Townsville? Good to see another local VW person. Would be good to meet up sometime as we are currently trying to get a local VW cruze going. Maybe a club???
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acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#643914
I ended up getting one from that ebay seller that wes put me on to, Didnt get here as quick as Baja Wes's one but didnt make much difference cause i have been working.
Its a re-co one but for the price and it comes with limited warranty, not sure how i'd go trying to claim it but it's there.
Going to get a new clutch cable and acc cable in before the engine goes in to make things easier

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#643962
acn9479 wrote:I've got a 1600 box with a 2ltr bellhousing which means that i can run the 218mm clutch(the old engine was a 1600) but i didnt know about this little problem untill i tried to crank it over and no go.
Its good to get confirmation about whats wrong and really its not a big deal. But if you know anyone with a 2ltr starter or even a 2ltr box with starter point them in my direction please 😂 really want to hear this thing going!!

Andy
Great to hear your engine is cranking ... just so there is no confussion here.

What gearbox you are running has nothing to do with what starter motor you need to use, that is goverened by the bell housing on the Type 2 transmissions.

Now there are only 2 options. 2L bell housing or not a 2L bell housing (as far as starter motors go).

If you are running a 2L bellhousing then you should be running a 228mm clutch and 2 L starter motor.

If you are running a 218 mm clutch I have no idea what you have.

The usual options in the Type 2 bellhousings are 200, 210, 215 and 228. 200 are not the norm and the 215 and the 228 are the more common with the 210 being normally the 1700 option.

If you are running a 228 then you need the 2L starter.

I have also heard around the traps that within the next few weeks there will be a new product on the market which will allow you to use a Factory Subaru Starter motor on the VW Bellhousing .. say ggod bye to starter issues forever.

Oh if any of this info is wrong please let me know, you never stop learning .
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#644036
sorry about the confusion on the set-up. Its a 1600 box with a 2L bellhousing and now a 2L stater.
When i got the adaptor and flywheel there was a little mix up with COR about the gearbox size(they thought it was a 2L box) so thats why I've got the bigger flywheel. But it seems like everything is sorted,...untill the next thing anyway 😂

I'll have to do a thread in the members rides cause hopefully i will have something meaning full to put there in the next couple of weeks.

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#665533
what adaptor plate and flywheel are you running.
matt

acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#665978
Got the Custom off road adaptor and the matching flywheel, and it fits pretty good fit. but if you do get it make sure you let them know what gearbox you are running so you can get the right size flywheel.
Andrew

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#666027
Hi

Ive always used semi auto starters in my bug when it was running a 10.5:1 wasserboxer.

The semi auto starter is a slightly higher power rating than a manual starter, .8 hp compered to .7 hp.

The semi auto starter is also self supporting so it doesn't need the bush in the bell housing.

Steve

acn9479 Commited Dubber

68 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#666134
just from my limited experience that I'vehad now i can say that the 2L starter from the VW will crank the suby motor no worries at all, but if you have to buy the stuff first up it might work out the same pric but with the more power.