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Dellortos in early bug .....NOT MUCH ROOM

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silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#642114
Hi I have just fitted 36 dells to my early beetle .Man there is not much room left
I think I will have to make some tools for tuning them (and get a mirror)
I had to Modify a 13 mm ring to get them in
What have others done
cut access panels ? Yuk!

Let me know
Silver
Keeping it real !

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642125
Use 11mm headed nuts for the studs and get some long extensions for your socket wrench.
Have a removeable lid and come down from the top.
Piece Of P!ss then
And cut some selective holes in the sides to get to the plugs.

I liked IDF36's better as the idle jets were on the top
Futue te ipsum!!!

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#642128
that's it, as above.

you can get the special nuts from any of our classic vee dub suppliers😂

drill the holes to get at the idle mixture screws, and pop some grommets in there to tidy up after.........or you can use a 8mm spanner for that instead.

removable deck lid a must, try some hoodlax whilst your at it.

i pulled my 48's down far enough to change venturies recently without any special tools nor too much hassle, without removing them.

idle jets are on the top of dells!?

get the dellorto tech book for a hints, tips, jetting, tuning ideas and trouble shooting

there are these C.B performance "hex" nuts too from VVDS...........


VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#642132
There on the money there with their advice. The earlier the beetle the tighter it is. You can also use a cut down 13mm but there's still a real nack to getting it done. Take the easy option an grab some 11mm nut and cut the access holes. Makes servicing a dam site easier,

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642161
dumone wrote:idle jets are on the top of dells!?
Sorry - dunno
Only had IDF 36's
Seen IDF 40-44's with the screw on the side.
PITA of get to compared to IDF 36's
Futue te ipsum!!!

colin Fahrvergnugen

984 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#642169
Hey Daimo thanks for the photo of those hex nuts. After keith and i ported my 48ida,s i have not got enough room to use a nut at all and have changed to a alan key socket screw. Its a real bitch trying to get them started so i will ring Mike in the morning and order some of those hex nuts you photograped and give them i go. Gotta be easier than what i am using now.
Thanks again Daimo

Cheers Col

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#642175
yeah Colin,

good for lots of stuff those suckers, including lightening,

your wallet🥲

they can come loose tho, i use a drop of blu loctite or locking star or split washer. you may need to cut down an allen key if your manifolds are short, or flare out quickly.

consider shaving a bit off the nut or stud, sometimes the stud pushes out the allen key just as they tighten right up...........i know you will try for fit first tho

damn i wish i could have got away from work for a run at Tamworth. be sure to tell us next meet too. the notch will be sitting,ready for action again in a couple of weeks

Daimo

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#642212
Bizarre wrote:had IDF 36's
Seen IDF 40-44's with the screw on the side.
PITA of get to compared to IDF 36's
These must be new eh?
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642237
matberry wrote:These must be new eh?
You mean IDF 36's??

No - been around for ages

IDF 40 - idle jets on side


IDF 36
you can see no idle jets on side


if you look carefully you can see the the idle jet at 2 o'clock on the left hand barrel of the carb on the left

and again here
Futue te ipsum!!!

silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#642324
All good advice thanks
went and got the nuts today from VVDS
All in and running fine thanks again
love the sound of the dells

Cheers silver
Keeping it real !

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642332
Hopefully not stating the obvious - but i have known people to do otherwise.

The carb is fitted to the manifold and the combined piece is then installed.
You dont install the manifold and then in stall the carb
Futue te ipsum!!!

Jeza Officially Full-On Dubber

353 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#642434
Bizarre wrote:Hopefully not stating the obvious - but i have known people to do otherwise.

The carb is fitted to the manifold and the combined piece is then installed.
You dont install the manifold and then in stall the carb
What difference does the order of assembly make??
......random gibberish for today.......

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642447
You can put the two pieces together nice and easy when out of the car, and then just have to do 2 nuts up at the manifold/head connection when you install the manifold and carb combination.
If you try and do it seperately, then you have HELL trying to bolt the 4 bolts up trying to get access when the carbs join the manifold, and you STILL have to do the 2 nuts on the manifold to head connection.
Just a lot harder the other way for no benefit
Futue te ipsum!!!

Jeza Officially Full-On Dubber

353 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#642490
Ahh, I see.

My Dells are on a Type 4 in a 1302, so different application. 4 bolts at either join, and the join at the head is much harder to get to...especially with the carbs attached. Hence I fit the manifolds to the head, and then the carbs to the manifolds. I use some cap screws on the carb - manifold join and a very long ball end T allen key.

Cheers
Jeremy
......random gibberish for today.......

colin Fahrvergnugen

984 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#642496
Rang VVDS today and bought the last set of those tricky manifold nuts Daimo was so kind to photograph the other night.
Should do the business and make life a little easier on my knuckles and fingers.

Cheers Col

Adsman Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined Jan 2007 ·

#642767
is this what you mean by no space....

How do you get your spark plugs out?? The manifold nuts stop me getting in a plug socket. Currently I have to remove the manifolds to do the plugs. Does any one have a picture of the holes they make...maybe this will explain it better.

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Tazz Old Skool

1,315 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642774
Should try playing with 45's in a type3 if your worried about space... lol

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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#642809
Loads of space to work in a type 3.
Just vertically challenged
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Tazz Old Skool

1,315 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642814
Changing Sparkplugs is a bitch.... With those short manifolds.. no room. Most times i just drop the engine to do anything tuneup related..


Tazz
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642830
Hi

Silver, obviously you need to give the carbs to me because they were meant to fit a later model bug, can't wait to hear you go past.

I used to work in VW shop that did lots tune ups on Weber equipped cars, mainly IDAs & DCNFs. I found a short plug socket with an external hex worked well, you just needed to get a cut down open ended spanner in to loosen the plugs and you could then unscrew the plugs with the socket buy hand, if you cant unscrew your plugs buy hand your leaving them in too long or the threads are not much good.

If we had fitted the motor in the 1st place we made small hole in the inner guard to get a socket and long extension through to #1 & 3 plugs.

Steve

silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#642886
Ok New problem
full throttle..... I seem to be getting about 70% throttle because of the linkage set up
I am sure I can and will work something out but If someone's done it how did they do it?
The thought of getting full throttle is a little scary as It goes really hard now
Steve the induction noise is very nice,,,,,, I will give you a blat when I see you
I hate the thought of cutting the inner guard
I will just pull every thing out to do the plugs
Silver
Keeping it real !

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#642888
is it not getting full throttle via the pedal, but can at the engine bay by hand?

silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#642894
dumone wrote:is it not getting full throttle via the pedal, but can at the engine bay by hand?
thats correct, plenty by hand
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#642895
I have the same problem with my Dell's in the ragtop...................I have bent the support behing the pedal to try and get more movement but I still only get 80% 😠

I think I need to change the arms on the carbs to get a better ratio.


hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#642896
i had to bend the "stop" behind the pedal so it could have more travel and therfore reach full throttle.

never a good idea to have the accelerator cable tight, but too much would not help.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#642950
Hi

What often happens with full throttle on early bugs is that the lever that runs through he pedal cluster gets bent forward in a horizontal plane limiting travel, a twist on lever with a shifter where goes it into the pedal cluster is all that is needed to bring it back.

Steve

Adsman Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined Jan 2007 ·

#643821
Another idea is to get a smaller radius throttle arm. See my pics above. A smaller radius at the carbs will give more travel per pedal movement. My pedal is firm but as you will see the radius is small and the spring steel tight. 90 degrees = full throttle on carbs. As said by silver said: crazy: at 3/4 throttle but full even better just have to be lightning quick on gears... but not lightening accurate 😂 (you know lightening never strike twice in the same place)😂
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