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Mick058 Custom Title Time!

1,580 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#649919
Did beetles have a rear sway bar as stock??

I've got a rear sway bar which is rather thick and may be doing more work then the torsions bars. Wanted to remove it to see how the ride felt wihtout it in...may not be fitted properly currently either. These are the best photos of it i had.



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BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#649929
That is a whiteline one. Its the race spec one (ie largest std, i think about 24mm from memory. Its on the upper end of its setting (move the upper bolt as far as you can to the end of the blue bar to make it soffter.

Iam looking at removing mine and replacing with a 18mm. It lifts inside wheels allot. Its ok at higher speed, and gievs my super a nice oversteer. but i do run much stiffer front springs.
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Mick058 Custom Title Time!

1,580 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#649933
Cheers, yeh had the same whilteline on the front. It seems to cause the drivers side to hit hard on bumps. I think cause the driver side bracket is twisted around a little. I just wanna trial the ride which out it on. Did they run a small sway bar originally?
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#649945
The front anti sway bar didn't appear until the 1959 model beetle...

but seeing You have a 1968 chassis

yes they did have a very small sway bar...

LEE
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#649947
BiX wrote:That is a whiteline one. Its the race spec one (ie largest std, i think about 24mm from memory. Its on the upper end of its setting (move the upper bolt as far as you can to the end of the blue bar to make it soffter.
Wow!! thats a whopper...

never seen one that big before...

LEE

PS: but I don't race beetles just drive 'em... lol
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#649963
ha!!! how far have you driven with it on???

if you take one off, you may as well piss the other off too as they work as a package to offer equal balance front and rear

i think your mad and should look at shockie adjustment and riding further away from the bumpstops

whitelines are gooooooooood!

no they didn't have a rear sway bar as such, some models had a z bar tho

Lee....... 24 mm aint that big.

Mick058 Custom Title Time!

1,580 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#649968
ha, i've never driven with the front on! Sold it a while ago.

What do you mean by 'im mad'. I bought the car with these sways bars on it, so am learning as i go along.

So its cool to pull it out all together? Got plenty of travel in the KYB's on the rear...
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#649973
yeah if you have none on the front, take it off and take it easy 😉

mad for not buying one to match up the front instead IMO

sway bars for roll ........ shocks for bump control. KYB ok, konis and billies better👍

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#650040
I have one for you Mick........will do a deal with you for your one !


1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#650060
Hi

I have a whiteline bar on the back of my daily 1303, I have have it backed off to full soft, when its in the full soft position the link bars are at funny angle, this tends to push the bar mounting on the torsion bar housing around.

I cured this buy welding the flat bar that the U clamp goes through, to the torsion bar housing, I also made the square box that the link bar goes onto a little narrower which also improves the link angle.

Steve

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#650133
yep the white line are very heavy duty may cause it to be too hard for street

I have an old K mac sway bar and the Berg rear trap bar
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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#650141
I reckon step 1, knock the sway bar you have way down to it's softest setting, which would soften the ride a bit as well as reducing any oversteer effect you have (less taily)

Really easy to do and a lot cheaper than putting on a different bar - just move the top bolt on each side to the last hole on the bar, the one closest to the back of the car.

Should take you max of 30 minutes to do, then go for a drive and see how it feels !!!

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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#650171
Yeah, possibly - there's a bit of freedom in where all of the brackets bolt up.

Basically you want the bolts in both ends of the figure 8 shaped link to be as close to the back of the car as possible - the further back you can get it, the softer it'll be.

If spinning the bracket around helps with that some, and nothing binds or grabs then sure - why not.
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colin Fahrvergnugen

984 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#650173
I,m not sure that if you took the rear bar off it would make any diffference at all.
As daimo said maybe look at your shocks,how much rear travel do you have before you hit the bump stops?
I ran my rear bar at 3/4 hard setting when my car was registered and had no issues with a firm ride.
If you intend on doing any spirited driving at all let alone racing i would strongly recommend you leave the bar on.
They are great to dial in your rear handling to suit your personal driving style.

Cheers Col

david777 Officially Full-On Dubber

307 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#650292
Mick, I have a similiar Whiteline bar on the back of my beetle, as others have suggested above -set at its softest setting.

The main noticeable differences with it on are
Plus...the car does not lean so much when going around corners, which helps your steering, etc
Minus... you notice a little less traction on the rear particularly when it is wet.

It would come down to personal preference. I avoid driving in the rain when I can, so it is better to have it on.

If you have no sway bar on the front, I would get one fitted ASAP, regardless of what you do at the back.

BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#650506
I think the links on mine are a little longer which allow it to pick up the beck holes. Maybe talkt o white line (or any good suspension shop, ie fulcrum) should be able to supply some slightly longer links.
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Mick058 Custom Title Time!

1,580 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#651085
ok, i removed the sway bar, ride is nicer but driver side rear still hits hard. I'm pretty sure its driver side only, aimed for pot holes on passenger side, no problems, hit pot holes at very low speed (20km or so) on driver side BANG, hit bumps at higher speed (60k or so) BANG. It feels like my rear shock is compressing but then not returning quick enough. So it goes up and stays when you roll back up the pot hole....Any clues?
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#651088
Hi

Try disconnecting the bottom shock bolts on both and moving the shocks through their travel and see if they feel the same.

Steve