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1916baja Custom Title Time!

1,990 posts · joined Sep 2007 ·

#663383
Should i be using electronic ignition? 1916cc twin 40 idf webers. After ideling for a bit she misses and backfires when under load getting up to speed. After driving for a while at an average speed it's ok, But as soon as i idle for a bit, say at traffic lights, The problem starts again. kinda feels like its fueling up and not burning it at idle? I currently have points.

cheers
Mick.

1916baja Custom Title Time!

1,990 posts · joined Sep 2007 ·

#663389
All through the rev range, and a bit when gearing down.

1916baja Custom Title Time!

1,990 posts · joined Sep 2007 ·

#663399
Forgot to mention its a 009 dizzy.

Adsman Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined Jan 2007 ·

#663406
I had a similar problem at idle and then when I first accellerate with my twin DRLA40's, high compression 1915 motor and 009 dissy. It was popping (backfiring) and hissing, spraying fuel out the top of the carbies at idle and when accellerating under load but fine in mid rev range. I re-tuned the carbies and balanced them, hesitation reduced by increasing the fuel at idle and poping was also minimised. Next adjusted the idle to 900rpm cold=1400rpm hot much better again. (previously set at 600rpm cold and 900rpm hot) Another problem that arose was the motor kept dying when cold or when first started unless I depressed the pedal a little bit for the first few mins. I recently have changed the exhaust to 1 1/2 fully merged headers with 1 5/8 fatboy, very loud but drives great now and rarely pops at all. My idle is now great when cold or hot and the motor starts with no pedal at all. (Previously I have a 1 3/8 headers and hiflow muffler.)

I guess out of this story Im trying to suggest is check timing, valve adjustment, clean points (work as good as electronic when clean and new), then start looking further such as balance carbies, set idle screws, etc. as it could be a range of things slightly wrong. It is not necessary to change to electronic points but it does save time in the long run. I agree with Mick058 check your idle jets/circuit/tuning first.
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OZ Towdster Keen to finish some projects

1,921 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#663419
Knowing your carby set up Mick i would be more incline to think that the drivers side carby is having issues with balance as it has that dodge linkage due to it not being a proper r/h carbie with the linkage and idle adjustment at the rear.
So if it were me i would probabley try and find a proper r/h carby , but for the time being you better bring it over to Custom on Sat morning and i'll see if i can fix it again and we can dicuss a deal as my Cruiser needs some stich work

Talk soon Andrew
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1916baja Custom Title Time!

1,990 posts · joined Sep 2007 ·

#663429
Cool, I will see you then. I'll send you a txt later in the week. What happened to the trim repairs on the Kombie? Weird thing is, It was fine when i drove it on sunday?

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#663444
I recommend electronic ignitions...

I have a home built one [was a kit]
and it gave Me power i could feel and starts first time every time...

I still use the points...
very low voltage goes thru them so they won't wear the points out...
I adjusted the points recently, and I didn't have to move the distributor..
the plastic/bakelite rub piece had worn down a fraction..

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

4 of 50 Commited Dubber

71 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#671845
i have the same problem and i have elctronic ignition

not bagging the ignition - i think the problem is the carbies

trickysimon 100km/h is only 9 seconds away

1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 ·

#671850
Ive got the same sort of electronic ignition as Lee. Don't know about his but mine was from Dicksmith and was also a kit. When I first put it in it wouldnt run. Turns out it was overpowering the spark plug leads that I had. After putting some new higher power rated ones on it ran alot better than before, more power and better fuel economy.
Simon

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#671851
Yes,
Electronic ignition is great..
but it probably won't fix your problem...

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#671872
on a stock engine a well maintained set of points and condenser will perform just as well as base product lecy ignition ie drop in modules

ive noticed slight improvement in hot starts but overall if everythings up to scratch on a stock motor u wont notice any real diff
however once u start to improve other things then it becomes more necessary ie points bounce at higher revs etc altho the old solution to this from memory was XU1 points
but in this situation u would be better off going for a high energy kit of some sort

theres alot of debate over whether its worth it
u can buy alot of points and condensors for the cost of eletronic ignition
i run pertronix ignitorII after going thro empi and hot spark kits and wouldnt go back to points again
i havent had to touch mine or dads for years as the timing never alters
but b4 that i put 30,000kms on a single set of points and condensor that never gave any trouble i just gapped them each 5000km oil change they are still fine in my back up 009 in the boot