Cant find any info anywhere so I thought I would try here as you guys have never led me wrong in the past.
I am replacing a battenholder in the lounge room.
The new battenholder has a connecter with Loop, Earth and the other two connecroers having nothing written on them.
I have a Black Wire, Red Wire and a Yellow/Green Wire.
Can anyone tell me which one goes where??????
Thanks
try here mate
http://sound.westhost.com/earthing.htm
just a warning dont muck around with it unless you know what your doing
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Yep thanks for that.
I understand the safety concerns and risks.
It just seems a bit pathetic to get an electrician in to connect three wires!
I will have one more go in the morning and if I cant get it I will call someone.
Aaaarrrghhhhh!
Hmmm, crazy how many "Home" electrical jobs that people prepared to tackle with no clues, and no regard for the safety of the others that may use the house. Hope your aware you can be prosecuted for performing your own unlicensed work mate, not the best thing to be advertising, specially if it goes wrong and you hurt someone or there is a fire.
Batten holder change over only worth knock off beer money to a sparkie, $30 including the batten maybe.
All right you guys win.
It is good advice, I should call someone who knows what they are doing.
Thanks everyone I get the message now
pm sent...
see.... air and water do mix 😉
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why cant you work on house electrics yet everyone will encourage you to have a go at your cars brakes steering suspension or even changing a tyre, all of which have the potential to take more lives than changing a batten, and are more complicated.
I did most of the electrics on my old house, the only trouble I ran into was when I got blown off the bed changing a light bulb in the one light fitting that a qualified sparky put in.
Play Russian roulette with this. Earth is 100% your green/yellow. Loop is the wire that will be heading off to another light fitting in your roof. If your roof cavity is anything like mine, this is red. The other 2 terminals will be common if I guess correctly. You can test this out with a circuit tester or multimeter. If you dont have either of those, put a length of fuse wire in each and connect to a torch battery. if wires get hot, its common and doesnt matter which one you use. This is for the wire that goes off to the switch which will be the black one. (switch will have a 2 core cable, red will be power going to it, black coming out to the light). Yes its illegal, possibly my terminology is wrong, no I dont accept responsibility, but its that easy.
If you can get any tradesman to come to your house for a case of beer let me know. If he spends 15 minutes driving to your house, 5 minutes changing your batten and 15 minutes driving away, then he has lost money.
i agree with your arguement amazeer. i still don't know if id personally do my own home electrics out of fear of fire and death but if your comfortable with giving it a go then good luck.
in my years as a fridgy i had a few 240volt belts
one threw me off a 8 foot step ladder
really not good for the old ticker so yeah if in doubt just get a sparky
like ragtopp said just abit of small change to them
If in doubt, get your mother in law to test it first 😀
Joel wrote:in my years as a fridgy i had a few 240 volt belts
one threw me off a 8 foot step ladder
last shock I can remember, was replacing a light batten in My Mothers garage that someone had tried to take the burnt out bulb out and had pulled it out of the plaster...
I told My Son to turn the light switch Off...
although thats what i thought I did...
and when i touched the live wire I felt the zap..
even though i was standing on an aluminium ladder
it was standing on New rubber backed carpet...
and i had rubber soled shoes on...
luckily i wasn't touching the ladder at the time...
Next time i'll switch the power off... lol
Lee
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amazeer wrote:Play Russian roulette with this. Earth is 100% your green/yellow. Loop is the wire that will be heading off to another light fitting in your roof. If your roof cavity is anything like mine, this is red. The other 2 terminals will be common if I guess correctly. You can test this out with a circuit tester or multimeter. If you dont have either of those, put a length of fuse wire in each and connect to a torch battery. if wires get hot, its common and doesnt matter which one you use. This is for the wire that goes off to the switch which will be the black one. (switch will have a 2 core cable, red will be power going to it, black coming out to the light). Yes its illegal, possibly my terminology is wrong, no I dont accept responsibility, but its that easy.
illegal and incorrect. you risk losing your house insurance through dodgy wiring.
a black wire is not supposed to be used as a "switch" wire as you have stated above. the switch cabling should be red and white.
in the case of having a red, black and earth wire in the cable to the light then the red goes to one of the unmarked terminals the black on the other and the green/yellow in the earth terminal. the loop terminal is not used in this case.
it depends upon how the wiring was done in the first place as to whether the loop terminal would be used or not.
please.... please get a qualified electrician to help if you are not sure.
as most have experienced its not a good thing to get a belt from 240volts.... and it can also cause life threatening injuries that aren't immediately obvious. death can occur up to 48 hours AFTER recieving an electric shock.
see.... air and water do mix 😉
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Happy to be corrected if that is incorrect. However, that is how my whole house was wired in the 60's, with the exception of earth. There werent any earths on any of the lights and no white wires that I ever came across.
people used to switch from neutral at the light fitting, now they switch of active at the switch as you spend less time up a ladder. If you got no clue then get someone who does it would suck to learn a hard lesson with a family member.
Stephen
Hmmmm... Being a Sparky, it seriously concerns me when I hear that people have been doing thier own wiring. Amazeer, you stated that people "work" on thier own brakes etc but anything more than changing the pads, by law, is to be inspected and certified by an Engineer.
As all trades do, Electrical work has strict codes that Electricans have to abide by. There is a reason that all Electricians, again by law, have to have $20 million liability insurance. Giving wrong advice to someone who obviously has no idea about eletricity is very dangerous. I appologise if your moaning right now ".....omg, this dude has jumped on his soap box." but like I said it concerns me. Believe me, Ive seen some pretty dodgy shit over the years and to bet your life on the sake of, possibly, $50 is ludicrous.
Dub64, If you havent had your job fixed yet, heres some advice. Ring a few Sparkies in your area, let them know exactly what you want done and ask them how much it will cost. Unfortunately, tradies have a bit of a stigma attatched to them but if you communicate to them that you would like to know what they done to justify thier bill, 99% will tell you. If they dont or cant, then they are dodgy but what industry doesnt have dodgies in it?
If your in Sydney, let me know and Ill pop over and have a look for you......
Sorry to all for the rant.
Hutcho
Ok, hope I didnt come across too full on in that last post. Amazeer, how did your insurance/council pass your building work without a Certificate Of Electrical Work? Im not having a go at you Im just curious..
Dub64, I was serious on my offer. If your in Sydney and need some advice, let me know.
ALL, PLEASE DONT PERFORM YOUR OWN ELECTRICAL WORK!
Thanks, Ill be climbing down off the box now...
Steve
Hi
Every time I have a qualified sparky do work at my house they always bag the previous sparkies work, I wonder why that is.
I also wonder why you can buy all electrical components at just about any shop without showing a trade licence.
Steve, I think you mean modifications need to be certified by an engineer, you can do any amount of servicing, repair or a full rebuild without needing approval on your own car.
Steve
i'm not bothered at all by your comments Hutcho, I'm sure they have some validity.
The wiring I did was on the old house that was built in 1968 for the housing commision, I will swear to my dying day that how I wired the lights was exactly how the existing lights were wired. If you say thats incorrect, then I accept that, though I think you will find the whole housing estate is also currently wrong. It was the same in my father in laws place which was 3 or 4 blocks away.
The new house I havent touched any electrics, it was all done by Clarendont so no certificate problems. To give credit where its due, the electricians were the only trade that wasnt called back to fix their work.
amazeer wrote:why cant you work on house electrics yet everyone will encourage you to have a go at your cars brakes steering suspension or even changing a tyre, all of which have the potential to take more lives than changing a batten, and are more complicated.
I did most of the electrics on my old house, the only trouble I ran into was when I got blown off the bed changing a light bulb in the one light fitting that a qualified sparky put in.
Play Russian roulette with this. Earth is 100% your green/yellow. Loop is the wire that will be heading off to another light fitting in your roof. If your roof cavity is anything like mine, this is red. The other 2 terminals will be common if I guess correctly. You can test this out with a circuit tester or multimeter. If you dont have either of those, put a length of fuse wire in each and connect to a torch battery. if wires get hot, its common and doesnt matter which one you use. This is for the wire that goes off to the switch which will be the black one. (switch will have a 2 core cable, red will be power going to it, black coming out to the light). Yes its illegal, possibly my terminology is wrong, no I dont accept responsibility, but its that easy.
If you can get any tradesman to come to your house for a case of beer let me know. If he spends 15 minutes driving to your house, 5 minutes changing your batten and 15 minutes driving away, then he has lost money.
wrong the other 2 terminals are not common
don't listen to people who think they know what they are doing
Steve
1303Steve wrote:Hi
Every time I have a qualified sparky do work at my house they always bag the previous sparkies work, I wonder why that is.
I also wonder why you can buy all electrical components at just about any shop without showing a trade licence.
Steve, I think you mean modifications need to be certified by an engineer, you can do any amount of servicing, repair or a full rebuild without needing approval on your own car.
Steve
Hi Steve,
Regarding your first issue, Im not sure why that would be. Id like to think that I dont do that but of course Im going to say that ;-) The same thing could be said about Mechanics though aswell!
Re the second point, it would be extraordinarily hard to police. Im sure it was tried, but it wouldnt help Electricians nor customers alike for many reasons.
Consider this. A couple of years ago, I was contacted by an officer of Fair Trading. He asked me to produce receipts of power points that I had bought for a job. Thinking this was fairly unusual, I asked him why. He told me there had been about a dozen house fires. This was due to unlicenced backyard electricians installing FAKE/COPY Clipsal power points. They came into the market from China and (like most things from China) were nowhere near our manufacturing standards and caught fire under load. The poor people who put them in didnt know they were fake. Thought they were getting a good deal on cheap power points! When the insurance company found out they installed them, themselves, who do you think paid for the thousands of dollars in building repairs? It wasnt the insurance company.
With the third point, Ive rebuilt a few cars. Im not a mechanic. I bought a shite load of books that tell me exactly what to do and how to do it to FACTORY specs. If I wanted to deviate from the manual, by law, Id need an engineer.
I understand that its hard to see why you need a Sparky to simply replace a broken power point or a switch but 24 people died between 05/06. 18 of them were people that had no training in the trade. You dont get many chances with electricity. If your electrocuted, and by chance you dont die, you've reduced your life expectancy by 3 years.
Once again, sorry for the rant. It just freaks me out, thats all...
Stay safe!
Steve
Hutcho wrote:it would be extraordinarily hard to police. Im sure it was tried, but it wouldnt help Electricians nor customers alike for many reasons.
Steve
this has been thrown around in vic also with the Office of the Cheif Electrical Inspectors... they have tried to figure out a way that only licensed electricians can purchase the equipment .. but it still doesn't mean that it will get installed by them so they find it too hard to police.
Hutcho wrote:I was contacted by an officer of Fair Trading. He asked me to produce receipts of power points that I had bought for a job. Thinking this was fairly unusual, I asked him why. He told me there had been about a dozen house fires. This was due to unlicenced backyard electricians installing FAKE/COPY Clipsal power points. They came into the market from China and (like most things from China) were nowhere near our manufacturing standards and caught fire under load. The poor people who put them in didnt know they were fake. Thought they were getting a good deal on cheap power points!
Steve
this has also happened in vic... we got warnings in the electrical trades newsletter warning of copies of clipsal equipment that was selling real cheap. also a similar lately with extension leads being sold that were not to aus standards.
see.... air and water do mix 😉
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Yes, the cheap power points etc
are nothing like Our Aust made points
the plastic is thin and brittle
but they would last forever if a table lamp was used in them
its just they don't like a few amps going thru them
and the copper contacts are too thin and when they heat up and expand.. they get hotter and hotter...
Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
thanks everyone a useful and interesting discussion.
All fixed now with no death or destruction.
Thanks again for your advice and knowledge
Good to hear! Its good you thought about giving it a go, but yeah best to leave that sort of stuff to people who know what they are doing.
1303Steve wrote:Hi
Every time I have a qualified sparky do work at my house they always bag the previous sparkies work, I wonder why that is.
Its funny that. I'm in the electrical game myself and work with about 50 sparkies. A lot of bagging goes on.. Most of it is in humour though. I wouldnt be doing what I do today if i didnt have the "give it a go attitude," Just start off with lower powered battery circuits first.
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