fair go for the craft brewer in oz

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,474 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 8 Jan 2009, 3:47 pm

#688146

http://www.fairgocraftbeer.com.au/
Australia's small breweries are being strangled by excise tax. On top of all the usual taxes any small business pays, microbrewers have to fork out 25% of their sales income straight to the ATO in the form of excise. How is an industry expected to survive under such a crippling tax regime?

The Australian Association of Microbreweries needs your help to persuade the Federal Government to amend Excise Tax legislation and to give microbrewers a FAIR GO.
so if you enjoy the small breweries products join the fight.

“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
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xornge666x Wolfsburg Wizard

460 posts · joined Sep 2006 · 9 Jan 2009, 6:23 am

#688282

On it...

It is ridiculous, that I can go to my local liquor store here in the US, and buy Coopers, or Boags, or if there is absolutely nothing left in the shop maybe even Fosters, and its all much cheaper here than in OZ.
A six pack of coopers here costs me $10. In OZ im sure its about $16
It is fully imported not made under licence.

When the last tax change happened and spirits etc got much cheaper, local beer went through the roof. Last time I was home, everyone was buying Carlsberg, or Corona or Heineken over local beers as it was cheaper. I think that stinks.
Give all the local breweries a tax break so people can afford to support the local employers and businesses.

There are some awesome microbreweries on OZ, it would be a shame to see them go.

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 9 Jan 2009, 9:36 am

#688318

I don't drink (I require no assistance to be a foolish bastard, nor do I have the money), but this is an absolute no brainer.

How can imports cost more than a local product simply because of our tax system? Australia has historically been repeatedly stupid about intellectual property, but if we don't start making some sensible, just and LOGICAL decisions, we wont be a lucky country in the future.

American farm subsidies over the last 30 years, combined with our drought have forced Aussie farming dynasties off the land. America couldn't give a toss about Australian farmer's concerns and the "bullying" policies were kept in place. Free market economy my arse! Now we are the only place on the planet with "mite free" bees and are selling them to the Americans for the pollination of their crops. What a powerful position to be in. We should be selling them at a price which will recoup some of the damages of their agricultural policies. Sorry - off topic! See - who needs alcohol?

Microbreweries are a national asset. Protect small business and stop subsidising car industries making crap products!!!

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 9 Jan 2009, 4:33 pm

#688398

Are you going to start a petition on here mate?

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,474 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 9 Jan 2009, 7:40 pm

#688431

do i need to?

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vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 9 Jan 2009, 7:49 pm

#688435

The link you've got seems to be trying to organise things without there being an online thingo (which makes more sense). Getup etc use the online thing and get a lot more signatures with a lot less effort. How committed to Beer are you Barls?

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,474 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 9 Jan 2009, 7:57 pm

#688436

im on to it. will post more details when i can.

“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 10 Jan 2009, 8:30 am

#688497

vwombat wrote:Microbreweries are a national asset. Protect small business and stop subsidising car industries making crap products!!!

whoa - Aussie made rear-drive cars are the best value on the planet. In the case of GM/Holden more are exported than sold here and - although I'm not sure of the percentages - a good number of us Aussies rely on this industry for thier living. A lot more than who work in the beer industry. Maybe we need to put up the walls of protection again to stop all the cheap imports.

I love beer but our car industry is far more important long-term than beer. So... cheers!

Pay your debts, CxxT

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 10 Jan 2009, 9:31 am

#688503

Hahaha - I was more thinking of the US bailout debacle. Did you see the footage of those execs like petulant children unwilling to give up their expensive corporate jets?

I've been doing some research on electifying VW's for a sustainable ride or the compressed air motor. Wouldn't new directions be good ones - especially for the country willing to take some risks and experiment? I thought we were a nation of innovative tinkerers? NON-BEER related links below:

http://www.preparedness1.com/electric_vehicles.htm

http://pesn.com/2006/05/11/9500269_Engineair_Compressed-Air_Motor/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm

http://www.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=16

Should I start a new thread Barls???

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,474 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 10 Jan 2009, 2:28 pm

#688557

you are going off track mate.
as for the online petition has to be a hard copy cause the govt wont accept it otherwise.

“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,474 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 10 Jan 2009, 2:35 pm

#688560

VWCOOL wrote:
vwombat wrote:Microbreweries are a national asset. Protect small business and stop subsidising car industries making crap products!!!
whoa - Aussie made rear-drive cars are the best value on the planet. In the case of GM/Holden more are exported than sold here and - although I'm not sure of the percentages - a good number of us Aussies rely on this industry for thier living. A lot more than who work in the beer industry. Maybe we need to put up the walls of protection again to stop all the cheap imports.

I love beer but our car industry is far more important long-term than beer. So... cheers!

yeah but there are only big companies making cars now. where as the little guys that make beer are struggling due to unfair taxing. you would be surprised to see how many the beer industry supports. did you know that tasmanian hops are counted as some of the best in the world.
also if you compare a small winery and brewery about the same output size. the brewery is being taxed at least 3 times more. to be a winery that has a cellar door costs around 2 grand in licensing fees a year, where as a small brewery the lowest level is around 6 grand a year and that only allows them to sell to a wholesaler. to sell to the public its almost 20 grand.
now you tell me is this fair.

“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 10 Jan 2009, 9:15 pm

#688624

... home brew. *burp* What taxes?!

Pay your debts, CxxT

General_Failure Use your head, don't abuse it!

1,036 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 12 Jan 2009, 9:32 am

#688830

vwombat wrote:Hahaha - I was more thinking of the US bailout debacle. Did you see the footage of those execs like petulant children unwilling to give up their expensive corporate jets?

I've been doing some research on electifying VW's for a sustainable ride or the compressed air motor. Wouldn't new directions be good ones - especially for the country willing to take some risks and experiment? I thought we were a nation of innovative tinkerers? NON-BEER related links below:

http://www.preparedness1.com/electric_vehicles.htm

http://pesn.com/2006/05/11/9500269_Engineair_Compressed-Air_Motor/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm

http://www.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=16

Should I start a new thread Barls???

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-V-Twin-22HP-Diesel-Engine_W0QQitemZ130279935074QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Business_Industrial_Farming_Agriculture_Farming_Agriculture_Equipment?hash=item130279935074&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

How about that? combined with biodiesel or chip oil and you have a near perfect replacement for the smaller VW motors. Probably get at least 1000km out of a tank too I reckon 🙂

Alternative energy sources do interest me. I just wish we could do something useful with a Stirling cycle engine.

oh, and I think the insane amount of taxes on alcohol is... insane. The only diffrence lowering the rate would make is meaning that people that like a drink will have more money in their pockets at the end of the day. Because if someone wants something they will find a way to get it.

Go the homebrew. I am royally peeved that there are no homebrew shops in this area though. if I didn't dislike this place so much I'd start a brew shop.
Which reminds me. Next experiment: Alcoholic lemonade.
Just moved house and this place has a lemon tree. A man can only have so much lemon slice before it kills him. I mean before he gets tired of it.

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Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based LCA pop-top camper. Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002.