timing of 009

kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects

124 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Jan 2009, 8:13 am

#689889

what should i set a 009 dissy at for timing?
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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Jan 2009, 8:19 am

#689890

most probally around 10 degrees

However you may have to adjust depending on whats done to the engine involved

But 10 is a good start point

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greedy53 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,062 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 17 Jan 2009, 5:52 pm

#689960

7-10 and adjust from there

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Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 17 Jan 2009, 8:25 pm

#689988

do above to get it fired up but chuck a timing light on and make sure it maxes out between 30-32*

555bug WRX Bug Boy

1,123 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 18 Jan 2009, 8:22 am

#690033

as with Joel, just set the max to 30~32 and don't worry about the base setting.

mango Casual Dubber

36 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 23 Jan 2009, 7:00 am

#691053

depends what other mods have been carried out , basically the more mods the more advance it can handle however if it`s otherwise fairly stock motor 28 - 30 would be a better figure

Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 23 Jan 2009, 7:03 am

#691054

mango wrote:depends what other mods have been carried out , basically the more mods the more advance it can handle however if it`s otherwise fairly stock motor 28 - 30 would be a better figure

way wrong advise above

typical of this place

mango Casual Dubber

36 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 23 Jan 2009, 7:20 am

#691057

Brian wrote:
mango wrote:depends what other mods have been carried out , basically the more mods the more advance it can handle however if it`s otherwise fairly stock motor 28 - 30 would be a better figure

way wrong advise above

typical of this place [/quote

maybe if you were to explain why the advise given is wrong rather than just say something is wrong then people would actually learn something.
the figures i quoted above came straight from one of the most respected vw engine builders in the world

DirkHedde Slammed & Awesome Dubber

91 posts · joined Oct 2008 · 23 Jan 2009, 1:28 pm

#691102

from what i know the timing should be between 7.5 and 8.5 on the good fuel pretty basic stuff the comment about the more mods the more advance smell like crap to me too. that means that some motors ive seen out there must be advanced to maybe 87 degrees and beyond wow

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 23 Jan 2009, 3:35 pm

#691117

forget idle timing with 009's...........total advance at 32 degrees.............more advance on ANY motor and your asking for trouble, maybe a couple of degrees, but 40 deg and your gonna bust s%$t 😉

Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 23 Jan 2009, 7:31 pm

#691161

mango
why quote someone elses info ,
avoid egg on your face

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 23 Jan 2009, 7:32 pm

#691162

Aw come on Daimo, I wanted to hear more about these tune up methods, more advance for more mods... Who is this best in the world tuner?

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Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 23 Jan 2009, 7:33 pm

#691163

I don't think the Bergs ever said that did they ?

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 23 Jan 2009, 7:36 pm

#691165

Berg's never said 28deg thats for sure. They only advanced up to 2deg for hemi heads.

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grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 23 Jan 2009, 8:20 pm

#691174

What about the spate of broken cranks from a few years ago due to excess advance,i am not sure where it came from but max advance was 30-32 degrees and over this was considered excessive.

mango Casual Dubber

36 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 23 Jan 2009, 8:28 pm

#691176

ok well i guess i should have made my first post a little clearer , yes 32 degree would be max amount of advance on a heavily modded motor, 28 to 30 is regarded as a safer figure for a fairly stock motor is what i was trying to say . no egg on this face do a little research and you`ll find i`m right

grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 23 Jan 2009, 8:34 pm

#691179

Mango you are right it's better to go for a lesser value than the maximun everytime, most times the difference could not be detected anyway. cheers les

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 23 Jan 2009, 11:14 pm

#691204

grumble wrote:......... most times the difference could not be detected anyway. cheers les

not until you get into cylinder head temps, oil temps, fuel economy, engine mileage life ,DETONATION/pingking ....etc........under timing can harm just like too much

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 23 Jan 2009, 11:31 pm

#691206

009s have to be timed at 28-32 degrees BTDC
at maximum advance with the engine running using a strobe type timing lamp..

this is about 40mm from TDC mark l-----------l
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DirkHedde Slammed & Awesome Dubber

91 posts · joined Oct 2008 · 3 Feb 2009, 1:32 pm

#693169

lee - does that mean that the 009 is timed at 28 deg if stock and 32 deg if a hot motor? at what rpm? Ive heard of people timing their engines at full advance around 4500rpm. what do you suggest for idle timing? i thought 7.5-8.5 was the go? isnt the full advance locked in with these distributors?

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 3 Feb 2009, 2:44 pm

#693170

Brazillian uh-oh-neins are real hit and miss when it comes to quality control
some over advance while alot under advance or come on to early/late

28-32* is the rough guideline to set max advance at
every engine is different and unfortunatley so are 009s

28 might be the most some take b4 pinging others can handle 32 no probs

u can set it 7.5 to get the engine fired up but shove a timing gun on it b4 driving and set it around the 30* mark
find the happy medium, no pinging on ur flavour fuel, but not doughy either

when i run N/A mine happily runs at 32 with premo fuel but my 009 is a german one, dads brazillian one is at 29 on the same fuel