New pistons Mahle, chinese, AA?

eraser Fahrvergnugen

970 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 23 May 2009, 12:13 pm

#714090

I have been looking around for a new set of pistons/barrels etc.

I keep coming to Mahle stock 1600CC which looks good.

But i also keep reading you cant seem to get propper forged pistons and only castones.

Along my journey i also found 1641cc set and a 1680cc set that just slip in, both of those were AA Products.

How do these alip in without any machining? and b do they noticibly increase the power?

I need a new set eitherway but just unsure to go the 1680 1641 or the 1600.

(its for a 1500cc case that has been converted to 1600 dp back in the day)

thanks in advance guys.

-M

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 23 May 2009, 1:27 pm

#714098

They slid in because the outside diameter is the same

They are thinner walled and hence have a larger inside diameter

There are varying comments on these
Jon Connolly from AC.net says " NO - period"

I know serveral that have 1641's and no problems

Personall the 88 slip ins (1680) is just plain pushing the freindship

Me - i would say with Mahle 85.5's (1600 stock)

Anyone who says there is noticeable difference by putting 1641 in instead of 1600 is playing with themselves

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bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 23 May 2009, 1:28 pm

#714099

they make the walls of the barrels thinner to have a larger combustion chamber. (therefore no machining required) Some people don't like that idea, worrying about breaking them and them being weaker. But yet again, i have heard alot of people who haven't eva had an issue.

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Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 23 May 2009, 2:54 pm

#714106

the size of the combustion chamber has no significance
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the larger bore is what increases the capacity
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87's and 88's are no good in my opinion
use the std bore or machine the case and heads

cram Officially Full-On Dubber

368 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 23 May 2009, 3:52 pm

#714118

for a stock 1600 stick with 85.5 forged or caste - you will not find a difference
if you are building a high output 1600 go with the forged - I think they also have a smaller skirt so you can run a 74/76 mm crank.

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 24 May 2009, 8:58 am

#714198

Stock or hottie? Not sure about now, but years ago 1640s were available as cast or forged and I *think* there were some forged 1584cc sets for 'stock' class racing engines. These were Cima products - engineered/QC by Mahle in Brazil

There have been thousands of 'slip-in' 1640cc engines built around the planet. It's a free extra 5% capacity and grunt. There has been discussion regarding the 1670/1680 as too thin - these barrels are very delicate and are easy to damage before or during engine assembly.

Like with any engine, do it properly and it'll be fine. Stuff it up, then you can blame your components 😉

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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 24 May 2009, 9:44 am

#714200

VWCOOL wrote:Stock or hottie? Not sure about now, but years ago 1640s were available as cast or forged and I *think* there were some forged 1584cc sets for 'stock' class racing engines. These were Cima products - engineered/QC by Mahle in Brazil

There have been thousands of 'slip-in' 1640cc engines built around the planet. It's a free extra 5% capacity and grunt. There has been discussion regarding the 1670/1680 as too thin - these barrels are very delicate and are easy to damage before or during engine assembly.

Like with any engine, do it properly and it'll be fine. Stuff it up, then you can blame your components 😉

x2

I've built many stock and performance engines using 85.5 and 87's and would recommend either

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eraser Fahrvergnugen

970 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 24 May 2009, 2:17 pm

#714223

thanks guys.

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 25 May 2009, 9:05 am

#714379

there nuthing wrong with the Mahles on a stock engine they will last for ever

if your going to increase capacity then go to AAs or somthing else but you may have to have the brand new bores honed as sometimes there pretty ruff compaired to what we are use to

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