NOS 1200 german engine case... suggestions?

17 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 13 Sep 2009, 9:35 pm

#735044

I have a genuine NOS German 1200 case and need some opinions... is it possible/wise to bore a 1200 case out to take 1600 cylinders? alternatively, If this is not recommended, I may be interested in swapping it for a new brazilian AS21 with a 69mm crank installed well. The old case is still sitting in its daggy old cardboard box and taking up space, but I need to make the right move for the future of my 1960 type 1. whaddyathink?

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 13 Sep 2009, 10:41 pm

#735053

It was a regular thing done during the 60s! How late is the 1200 case? Has it got the cam slipper bearings? Is the case stamped with a number?

DH

PS. What area are you?

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 14 Sep 2009, 9:18 am

#735083

i dont think u can fit the 1600 barrels into the early case and you need the crank as well

I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

happyoldhippy Learner Dubber

17 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 14 Sep 2009, 9:18 am

#735084

I'll take some photos tonight (monday) and upload. I'm in Armidale NSW

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 14 Sep 2009, 9:46 am

#735093

vw54 wrote:i dont think u can fit the 1600 barrels into the early case and you need the crank as well

They only need to be bored to suit the bigger cyls Dave. The later 60s case with the slipper bearings is always better than the earlier case without as we all know too well. The 69mm crank also goes straight in for the 1500/1600.

I had one of the later cases during the later 60s which I converted to a type 3 1600 which gave no problems for a 6 year period and near 100,000 miles. Others we converted had the high comp 1500S pistons which also worked well.

DH

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1,593 posts · joined Aug 2005 · 14 Sep 2009, 11:11 am

#735108

If it does not work out for you i'd love to buy it and build a 1200 engine.

Damo.

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happyoldhippy Learner Dubber

17 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 14 Sep 2009, 9:42 pm

#735219

here are the first three photos fresh off the press. the case number is 6692 and I've included a shot, as best I can, of the cam tunnel. be interested in comments... gary

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happyoldhippy Learner Dubber

17 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 14 Sep 2009, 9:46 pm

#735221

three more...

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 14 Sep 2009, 11:00 pm

#735249

Did you get my PM Gary??

DH

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 15 Sep 2009, 7:28 am

#735263

looks like the late case with slipper cam bearings

I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

volumex Officially Full-On Dubber

389 posts · joined Jul 2005 · 15 Sep 2009, 12:48 pm

#735297

It's an April 66 case

happyoldhippy Learner Dubber

17 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 15 Sep 2009, 1:48 pm

#735306

gee, this is like 'find my family'!... thanks for all the comments. I have still to make up my mind about how to best utilize this case... probably the limited amount of available moola will determine which path I take... any offers?

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 15 Sep 2009, 3:07 pm

#735317

happyoldhippy wrote:gee, this is like 'find my family'!... thanks for all the comments. I have still to make up my mind about how to best utilize this case... probably the limited amount of available moola will determine which path I take... any offers?

Yes 🤪 But you gotta read your PM to see!! 😂 Send me your info!!

DH

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 15 Sep 2009, 4:17 pm

#735327

better of keeping the case as a 1200

I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

sgetty Fahrvergnugen

994 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 15 Sep 2009, 5:13 pm

#735337

hey mate my bug is a 1200 and its got 1365 0r 1385 carnt remember now, these were a period upgrade not sure if available now
hey armidale im at bendemeer we are thinking of one day having a few busses i know from tammy come up also a mate from Uralla and meet at bendy pub one day

🙂

sgetty Fahrvergnugen

994 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 15 Sep 2009, 5:14 pm

#735338

or was it 1335 maby, someone will know

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happyoldhippy Learner Dubber

17 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 31 Jul 2010, 8:23 pm

#793546

Since the last post, I have moved to Sydney and am now definitely more inclined to sell this case. If you're interested, send me a PM for more info... keep in mind that a Brazilian AS21 case is about a grand, so I would be looking for a tad more than that. So... if you're keen for a genuine German case that's never been used, maybe I could help.

Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 31 Jul 2010, 9:21 pm

#793554

bazilian AS 21 case has not been made in the last 10 years

AS41 is still available

happyoldhippy Learner Dubber

17 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 1 Aug 2010, 5:40 pm

#793654

yep, that's right..... an AS41 is at least US$650.00 too, so it also would be getting close to a grand by the time it's imported.
thanks for the tip-off!

modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 1 Aug 2010, 5:43 pm

#793655

happyoldhippy wrote:yep, that's right..... an AS41 is at least US$650.00 too, so it also would be getting close to a grand by the time it's imported.
thanks for the tip-off!

Ha ha! Now you're sounding more like crappyoldcapitalist than happyoldhippy....

But for sure a NOS German 1200 case will be of interest to those who want to build 36 HP challenge engines.

hth

Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
modulus.com.au

RISKY4LIFE Officially Full-On Dubber

308 posts · joined Jul 2010 · 1 Aug 2010, 6:01 pm

#793659

1385 num nuts
oh we are "mate" now thats not what you called me last time

sgetty wrote:hey mate my bug is a 1200 and its got 1365 0r 1385 carnt remember now, these were a period upgrade not sure if available now
hey armidale im at bendemeer we are thinking of one day having a few busses i know from tammy come up also a mate from Uralla and meet at bendy pub one day

RISKY4LIFE Officially Full-On Dubber

308 posts · joined Jul 2010 · 1 Aug 2010, 6:08 pm

#793661

or wait was it 1316 lol (for lee)
or wait was it 1376 lol (for lee)
and yeah i live in uralla so will have to have a chat some day !
also i did here at vintage might have some 1385
p&B

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 1 Aug 2010, 6:20 pm

#793663

I'm not sure its worth BIG dollars............its still just a 1200 case, and as soon as its used in a motor then its the same as any other..2nd hand !

P.s. You may want to spray it with WD40 to help protect where the bearing shells sit from corrosion.

farkengruven Seriously Crusin Dubber

167 posts · joined Jan 2006 · 1 Aug 2010, 6:23 pm

#793665

modulus wrote:But for sure a NOS German 1200 case will be of interest to those who want to build 36 HP challenge engines.

hth

Its a 40hp case, not a 36hp case.

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modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 1 Aug 2010, 6:32 pm

#793669

farkengruven wrote:Its a 40hp case, not a 36hp case.

My bad, it's *way* too powerful.

Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
modulus.com.au

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 2 Aug 2010, 10:45 am

#793766

The studs look too rusty to make it a usable item! How much do you want for it's scrap value!? 😂

DH

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 3 Aug 2010, 9:45 am

#793954

I know "happyoldhippy" and have for about 20 years.

He is the nicest guy and a genuine enthusiast. (i.e. he really loves VW's)

Keep your amazing comedy for another audience. 😘

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 3 Aug 2010, 12:22 pm

#793967

vassy66T1 wrote:I know "happyoldhippy" and have for about 20 years.

He is the nicest guy and a genuine enthusiast. (i.e. he really loves VW's)

Keep your amazing comedy for another audience. 😘

I think one of my earlier suggestions to Happyoldhippy was to bore it for 1600 pots as it's the later case with cam slippers. For a standard daily driver where it isn't going to be flogged the case will stand up ok, especially since it's new.

If he was closer, I'd bore it for free as also I'm a bit of a VW enthusiast and have been for near 50 years and like to help other fellow Veedubbers to enjoy without the generally associated high costs.

I think most would have read my post as "how much do you want for the case ?" so he can put that loot into an actual 1600 case if that is direction he wanted to take! 😘😘

DH

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 3 Aug 2010, 8:37 pm

#794050

Cheers 1500s

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