Sideplate vs Swing Axle

BrisDubba Fahrvergnugen

877 posts · joined Oct 2005 · 19 Sep 2009, 11:16 pm

#736236

Am rebuilding the buggy

and the gearbox that was in it is a side plate, though it had a broken input shaft. The buggy also came with a 1600 kombi box that is supposed to be out or a racer, but I suspect that I cant do a straight swap without cutting away some of the underbody protection.

So my question is - is a swing axle the same as a side plate, any advantages/ disadvantages.

For simplicity sake I was going to put a swinger in it, as they seem a bit easier to come by - assuming all fits - any advice appreciated, before I waste all day to find out they wont fit.

Cheers

Peter

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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 20 Sep 2009, 6:10 am

#736253

Hi Peter, I think there might be some confusion with the termnology.

The trans in the picture appears to be a DUAL SIDE COVER IRS trans from a beetle or type 3.

A bus trans is a much better deal but you are correct, it is not a simple swap.(mounts, axles/cvs, and shift linkage)

The swing axle trans will bolt into the same mounts, but you will have to change the spring plates at the outboard ends.

All type one and three trans from 1961 onwards have side covers, whether they are swingaxle or IRS.
There are SINGLE SIDE COVER trans in type one and three from about mid 1972.

The side cover is the aluminium casting that bolts into the trans to close up the trans, once the differential is fitted.

This is an aftermarket one to help hold the diff in place.

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BrisDubba Fahrvergnugen

877 posts · joined Oct 2005 · 20 Sep 2009, 8:49 am

#736267

Thanks Dave - you are da man.

The actual gearbox, had a broken input shaft, so does that render it useless - or can that be repaired without going crazy - just thinking as it came out of the buggy it would be easiest - but I certainly dont want to recondition the thing - not initially anyhow.

I will try and source one and if not, then will look at installing the Kombi box.

ta

Peter

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64 Beetle - club car - Herbie
RSK 718 Porsche Spyder
76 Southern Cross Offroad racing buggy. "Manx Buggies"
77 Cobra Offroad racing buggy "RipOff"
68 Country Buggy KO200
64 Manx swb
70 Dual Cab kombi
74 Dual Cab kombi
74 Micro bus

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 20 Sep 2009, 4:02 pm

#736297

Pretty straight forward job Peter.
Once the CV flanges are removed,(remove rubber caps and circlips),
the LHS side cover can be removed and the input shaft changed with a single circlip.

You may want to put new seals in the side covers, for the CV flanges whilst they are off.

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BrisDubba Fahrvergnugen

877 posts · joined Oct 2005 · 20 Sep 2009, 9:18 pm

#736368

Cool, sounds like I am about to be exposed to the world of gearboxes..

When I do get it apart where would I source the shaft and seals.

I will post some pic's, for the benefit of other novices like me..

Cheers

Peter

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64 Beetle - club car - Herbie
RSK 718 Porsche Spyder
76 Southern Cross Offroad racing buggy. "Manx Buggies"
77 Cobra Offroad racing buggy "RipOff"
68 Country Buggy KO200
64 Manx swb
70 Dual Cab kombi
74 Dual Cab kombi
74 Micro bus

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 21 Sep 2009, 5:55 am

#736426

Any VW shop should gave new seals and a used input shaft floating around.
If you get stuck send me a pm.

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colonel mustard Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,829 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 21 Sep 2009, 4:59 pm

#736510

dangerous wrote:Any VW shop should gave new seals and a used input shaft floating around.
If you get stuck send me a pm.

The Door of DB's cave is made out of inputs shafts.... 🙂