Has anyone used these brakes, and does anyone know if they are legal for Australia/NSW
http://www.airkewld.com/parts/proddetail.php?prod=FDK-1110
sander288 "Bolt-on Master"
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Airkewld Bad Brakes
clinker42 Officially Full-On Dubber
381 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·
Mate
Seeing no one has posted I will post, You can use any brakes you want in Australia, Im pretty sure the only ADR compliancy for brakes is the fluid hose and thats easy, places like Hoppers stoppers etc will make up hoses. That said, the other issue would be state compliance, they could require an engineers report, plus you would have to get your balance correct and also use the correct M/C. I use wilwood stuff on the racecar but that was easy, just buy there whole setup.
Seeing no one has posted I will post, You can use any brakes you want in Australia, Im pretty sure the only ADR compliancy for brakes is the fluid hose and thats easy, places like Hoppers stoppers etc will make up hoses. That said, the other issue would be state compliance, they could require an engineers report, plus you would have to get your balance correct and also use the correct M/C. I use wilwood stuff on the racecar but that was easy, just buy there whole setup.
sander288 "Bolt-on Master"
1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·
cheers mate thats all I needed to know
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Also you can get bolt on kits in Oz from Volks conversions for one.
The Airkewld kit is all custom, even the spindles and cal brackets. The 4 pot calipers are serious overkill for such a light front ended vehicle but they do look cool 😉
I think it's STIDUB on here that has designed a vented disc kit for 4 bolt balljoint bugs using Commodore calipers. Good piece of kit.
Vintage VW in sydney also have a disc brake kit and then you have CSP from Germany and Empi from America.
Just a few idea's for you 🙂
The Airkewld kit is all custom, even the spindles and cal brackets. The 4 pot calipers are serious overkill for such a light front ended vehicle but they do look cool 😉
I think it's STIDUB on here that has designed a vented disc kit for 4 bolt balljoint bugs using Commodore calipers. Good piece of kit.
Vintage VW in sydney also have a disc brake kit and then you have CSP from Germany and Empi from America.
Just a few idea's for you 🙂
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome
5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·
Thanks for the mention pscimitar, it's VWCOOL's kit... and I think STIDUB is happy customer 🙂
I sell this high-performance front vented and slotted kit (pictured) to suit BJ, S- and L-Bug. As with any 'major' modification to your car, you will require engineers certificate at state rego level (the ADRs are for brand new cars) that is no problem with this kit as the callipers are ADR compliant and all other new parts are 'over engineered' to exceed OE specs for new cars. Rear discs must be run with this vented front kit; I can supply or advise
I also have a standard-sized slotted front discs (but don't have any pics yet), that are a perfect 'level 1' upgrade for any factory disc-braked VW. Best of all, they work great with standard rear drums and no engineers report is required
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I sell this high-performance front vented and slotted kit (pictured) to suit BJ, S- and L-Bug. As with any 'major' modification to your car, you will require engineers certificate at state rego level (the ADRs are for brand new cars) that is no problem with this kit as the callipers are ADR compliant and all other new parts are 'over engineered' to exceed OE specs for new cars. Rear discs must be run with this vented front kit; I can supply or advise
I also have a standard-sized slotted front discs (but don't have any pics yet), that are a perfect 'level 1' upgrade for any factory disc-braked VW. Best of all, they work great with standard rear drums and no engineers report is required
All available in VW or Porsche pattern
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
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DOH!!!! Sorry dude. Glad you were watching this thread then to correct my mistake. Thanks 🙂VWCOOL wrote:Thanks for the mention psimitar, it's VWCOOL's kit... and I think STIDUB is happy customer 🙂
No worries on the mention. If I had 4 stud I'd probably buy your kit too but alas I am fond of the wide 5 of my '59 🙂
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"
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Cheers glen, I actually came round for a look a few months back, my problem is just the wrong car I've got a K&L car,
the kit to be honest is a little overkill for what I want, i just need a kit that doesn't extend the front vehicle track, and that I can change to 5x130 but what I like about the airkewld kit is if need I can turn them back to 5x205 or what ever I like if I change wheels...
the kit to be honest is a little overkill for what I want, i just need a kit that doesn't extend the front vehicle track, and that I can change to 5x130 but what I like about the airkewld kit is if need I can turn them back to 5x205 or what ever I like if I change wheels...
VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome
5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·
No worries, my kit was developed for 'overkill' performance, such as Subaru WRX transplants, and of course for legal road use in Australia.sander288 wrote:Cheers glen, I actually came round for a look a few months back, my problem is just the wrong car I've got a K&L car,
the kit to be honest is a little overkill for what I want, i just need a kit that doesn't extend the front vehicle track, and that I can change to 5x130 but what I like about the airkewld kit is if need I can turn them back to 5x205 or what ever I like if I change wheels...
Spacers and Wilwoods aren't.
Vintage VW's wide five kit is good 'un
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
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I'm working on a vented wide 5 for my bug. Gonna use Wilwood 'none hat' rotor's, custom hubs and golf VR6 calipers. Will all fit under a standard 15" VW steel but due to the vented disc there seems like no alternative than to increase the track a little. Gotta wait till my cals turn up before I know by how much 🙂
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colonel mustard Son of Jim - Creator of Good
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The manic setup looks amazing. love it 🙂
vorsprungdurchtechnique Commited Dubber
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I was just about to order a Bad disc kit also but someone advised they may be illegal due to part of the brake being aluminium. Would anyone know about that? Seems weird and not sure if it's true. Also, I was planning on ordering their 4" narrowed beam too but the same person told me these are illegal as well! Have I just come across a kill joy or is this guy speaking some truth? My fire has been well and truely pissed on!
QuikBug Commited Dubber
63 posts · joined May 2006 ·
Yeah I was about to start a new project and was advised to speak to an engineer about the project before the shop would start the work.
I wanted a 4" narrowed beam with disc brake upgrade and could not find an engineer in NSW that would pass the 4" beam. They quoted the wheel track rule outlined in the Australia Design Rules.
What state are you in as the rules are different from state to state which puzzles me as the engineer quoted an Australia Stand which I would have assumed to be nation wide.
I put it all in the two hard basket in the end, stuck with a standard adjustable beam and wide five disc brake kit which did not widen my track, moved the ofset in my standard rim by 10mm and the wheel tucked up in the guard just nice.
Good luck with your project, where there is a will there is a way.
I wanted a 4" narrowed beam with disc brake upgrade and could not find an engineer in NSW that would pass the 4" beam. They quoted the wheel track rule outlined in the Australia Design Rules.
What state are you in as the rules are different from state to state which puzzles me as the engineer quoted an Australia Stand which I would have assumed to be nation wide.
I put it all in the two hard basket in the end, stuck with a standard adjustable beam and wide five disc brake kit which did not widen my track, moved the ofset in my standard rim by 10mm and the wheel tucked up in the guard just nice.
Good luck with your project, where there is a will there is a way.
vorsprungdurchtechnique Commited Dubber
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Yep, same as. A week ago I was all set to go for an Air ride with a 4" narrowed beam, discs all round and 17" fuch wheels, how sweet would that be?! But I'm hitting wall after wall. Eventually established it is possible to install air suspension but if you cant have the 4" narrowed beam it aint gonna sit on the floor so it seems pointless. Looks like all this will go in the too hard basket aswell! Quick bug, what wheels and make of brakes did you go for in the end? Looks like I'll be going for the same set up so would like to know. Thanks.
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
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The hubs of pretty much all these disc kits, even VWCOOL's I beleive, are made from an aluminium alloy 356 or 6061 hardened to T6. So they are legal. no different to a lot of Porsche hubs really. Mick58 just had some alloy hubs made for his subie powered bug. 😉vorsprungdurchtechnique wrote:I was just about to order a Bad disc kit also but someone advised they may be illegal due to part of the brake being aluminium. Would anyone know about that? Seems weird and not sure if it's true. Also, I was planning on ordering their 4" narrowed beam too but the same person told me these are illegal as well! Have I just come across a kill joy or is this guy speaking some truth? My fire has been well and truely pissed on!
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QuikBug Commited Dubber
63 posts · joined May 2006 ·
My wheels are the standard steel wheels of the car. Cbb had sent them to a shop in sydney somewhere to have the offset moved. Cant remeber where but if you really want to now I could find out.
The beam was from cbb in penrith, they also supplied the disc kit real helpfull blokes Mike and Ryan. There contact details are here on the forum.
I fitted it all in one weekend taking my time with a mate and plenty of cold ones. Was a real easy job in the end.
Hope this helps.
The beam was from cbb in penrith, they also supplied the disc kit real helpfull blokes Mike and Ryan. There contact details are here on the forum.
I fitted it all in one weekend taking my time with a mate and plenty of cold ones. Was a real easy job in the end.
Hope this helps.
VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome
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no my hubs (VWCOOL) are NOT alloy as my engineer consultant said 'no-go' without a lot of (expensive) paperwork. Mine are super-duper steelpsimitar wrote:The hubs of pretty much all these disc kits, even VWCOOL's I beleive, are made from an aluminium alloy 356 or 6061 hardened to T6. So they are legal. no different to a lot of Porsche hubs really. Mick58 just had some alloy hubs made for his subie powered bug. 😉vorsprungdurchtechnique wrote:I was just about to order a Bad disc kit also but someone advised they may be illegal due to part of the brake being aluminium. Would anyone know about that? Seems weird and not sure if it's true. Also, I was planning on ordering their 4" narrowed beam too but the same person told me these are illegal as well! Have I just come across a kill joy or is this guy speaking some truth? My fire has been well and truely pissed on!
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
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I shoulda guessed from looking at them. My apologies, was late at nite when I replied. Yours would need to be steel as I'm not sure ali would have the strength necessary to stop the studs ripping through the ali.VWCOOL wrote:no my hubs (VWCOOL) are NOT alloy as my engineer consultant said 'no-go' without a lot of (expensive) paperwork. Mine are super-duper steel
On all the kits that do use ali there will be a lot more meat for the studs to screw into.
Westi has made a good few alloy hubs by the looks of things so they must be legal in NSW but of course it depends on the design of the hub. 😉
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Airkewld 2010 Learner Dubber
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That would be news to me. Many cars including the Porsche use aluminum hubs. Only the design has be changed up a lil bit. Also, the rotors are steel just like any other car. Hydraulics, just the same. As long as they are DOT approved here in the states, they are A OK. So I would be really interested in why Our brakes would be illegal.vorsprungdurchtechnique wrote:I was just about to order a Bad disc kit also but someone advised they may be illegal due to part of the brake being aluminium. Would anyone know about that? Seems weird and not sure if it's true. Also, I was planning on ordering their 4" narrowed beam too but the same person told me these are illegal as well! Have I just come across a kill joy or is this guy speaking some truth? My fire has been well and truely pissed on!
No narrowed beams in the world are illegal. Up to 4" beams still have shock towers and no mods are needed to install it. If you go with a beam with out towers, that is what the MOT in the UK would frown upon. As far as OZ, I am not sure but more than likely, No shocks, menas no legal.
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
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Aluminium hubs are fine over here, just depends on the engineer you talk too. It has to be the right type of alloy like 6061 or 356 in the UK tempered to T6 grade. I beleive you guys at Airkewld use alloy for the wheel mounting flange or is that steel? Pretty much all of the wide 5 disc kits use sintered steel rotors but CSP, from Germany use cast iron. Possibly Wilwood items. So all up your kit should be fine, it just depends on the engineer looking at it.Airkewld 2010 wrote:That would be news to me. Many cars including the Porsche use aluminum hubs. Only the design has be changed up a lil bit. Also, the rotors are steel just like any other car. Hydraulics, just the same. As long as they are DOT approved here in the states, they are A OK. So I would be really interested in why Our brakes would be illegal.
No narrowed beams in the world are illegal. Up to 4" beams still have shock towers and no mods are needed to install it. If you go with a beam with out towers, that is what the MOT in the UK would frown upon. As far as OZ, I am not sure but more than likely, No shocks, menas no legal.
As for the beam, I can't see why it would be illegal. So long as they have shox towers but even if they don't you just reinforce part of the shells inner wing and have the upper shock mount there. Due to the angle of the shock you may have to use modified mini shox but all up its do-able and safe 🙂
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