Gilmer Belt drives on VW type 1

colonel mustard Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,829 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 1 Nov 2009, 2:26 pm

#744499

Hey all!

I was wondering if anyone has done this before? I think i have seen it on that white & blue Volksrod (in a past issue of VWMA)
ANy ideas if they are made or are a custom jobbie.. tensioner would be needed on a 2 pulley setup yes? Waste of time and just go for the serpentine system??

STIDUB Over it.

1,497 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 1 Nov 2009, 5:36 pm

#744525

spend the limited funds you have on necessities before attempting to go for shiny "cool" things would be my advice

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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 2 Nov 2009, 12:19 pm

#744675

waste of your money🙅

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bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 2 Nov 2009, 12:39 pm

#744678

how would that go when the fan rpm cuts off at a certain rev range while the rest of the motor goes up (isn't it like 4000rpm when the belt starts slipping so the fan don't blow itself up?)

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1,936 posts · joined Oct 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 1:17 pm

#744684

bajachris88 wrote:how would that go when the fan rpm cuts off at a certain rev range while the rest of the motor goes up (isn't it like 4000rpm when the belt starts slipping so the fan don't blow itself up?)

Well this is something I haven't heard of before. I know I dont know a lot about VW, but I couldn't see this happening. Anyone else. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Kev

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2,220 posts · joined May 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 2:06 pm

#744694

Bajawes is pretty much the expert on fans - he did his engineering thesis or something on the VW cooling fan, and he proved the old "the VW fan cavitates at X rpm" myth was actually due to belt slip.

But yeah - it'd be a risk just like it is with the serpentine systems - standard fan's just aren't designed to do crazy revs.

Never happened to me, but at Warwick on the Saturday someone had their fan go bang and yeah - made a bit of a mess.

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colonel mustard Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,829 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 2 Nov 2009, 2:42 pm

#744698

I think thats why welded fans are avaliable...

ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 2 Nov 2009, 3:11 pm

#744706

colonel mustard wrote:I think thats why welded fans are avaliable...

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9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 2 Nov 2009, 3:18 pm

#744710

Camo wrote:
bajachris88 wrote:how would that go when the fan rpm cuts off at a certain rev range while the rest of the motor goes up (isn't it like 4000rpm when the belt starts slipping so the fan don't blow itself up?)
Well this is something I haven't heard of before. I know I dont know a lot about VW, but I couldn't see this happening. Anyone else. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Kev

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ttakes a good motor to rev to the point that this happens but all it takes is the fan being spot welded to prevent it

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4,082 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 2 Nov 2009, 3:44 pm

#744718

ian.mezz wrote:ps I have double over headed fox tails if you after some of them🤪

I'll take one.

STIDUB Over it.

1,497 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 2 Nov 2009, 3:45 pm

#744719

i assume the welded fans have the blades welded to the body alot better than factory specs? or is there more to it?

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1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 6:20 pm

#744762

Thats it, just fully welded. Only spot welds from factory.
The look of a serpentine is worth the risk of fan explosion 😎🙄

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9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:05 pm

#744777

stock fans arent welded at all
the blades are just held in place by the tabs being peened over

welded fans just have all these tabs spot welded in place

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:11 pm

#744780

it's the acceleration of the fan that makes them explode, not necessarily high rpm..........certainly not fun when the shrapnel jams the throttle wide open

trickysimon 100km/h is only 9 seconds away

1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:15 pm

#744785

How would it jam it open when you got the throttle tube going through the shroud?
Unless it slices through that...

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9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:18 pm

#744787

you dont wanna see the carnage a fan makes when it explodes

would make u launch that pretty serp over the back fence

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:19 pm

#744789

correctamundo 👍

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1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:23 pm

#744792

Yeh, I've heard of smashed cylinder fins and all sorts of carnage that they can cause 🤖

colonel mustard Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,829 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:25 pm

#744793

well... im sold on keeping my squealer

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5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:25 pm

#744794

...or get the correct sized lower pulley to keep the fan rpms under control.

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1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:27 pm

#744795

But then your fan isnt spinning fast enough the rest of the time?

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9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:29 pm

#744798

get a revlimitor rotor or just have the fan welded and balanced

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:31 pm

#744799

or all three 🤓

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1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:31 pm

#744800

Or stop being a bunch of pussys 😂

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:33 pm

#744802

I should clarify that, yes Simon,
there needs to be a pulley made to get the maximum rpm correct,
and fit a rev limiter as well.

The smaller "power pulleys" may be too small for full time "normal" use,
but I think the ratio of most serpentine systems over-drives the fan faster than stock.

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:36 pm

#744805

yea the gen pulleys are noticably smaller
i know just putting a 10mm smaller pulley on my blower upped the boost by 2psi so i can only imagine its spining the fan alot faster

STIDUB Over it.

1,497 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:40 pm

#744807

whats a welded fan worth? say as an exchange kinda deal....

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1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 · 2 Nov 2009, 7:44 pm

#744811

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-factory-VW-welded-and-balanced-doghouse-cooling-fan_W0QQitemZ180426633862QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091101?IMSfp=TL0911011410001r37190

STIDUB Over it.

1,497 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 2 Nov 2009, 9:01 pm

#744836

woah, who wants a welded fan then! i think i currently have 2 fans & i do that kinda thing daily😂

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colonel mustard Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,829 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 2 Nov 2009, 9:07 pm

#744838

it says balanced too...