Axel tube question ? NOW WITH PICS

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 15 Nov 2009, 7:52 pm

#747496

Will a set of 36 horse axle tubes (from 56 beetle) fix an L Bug box without any concerns? Or are there issues? I'm hearing a little mixed info.

Thanks in advance 😘

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 15 Nov 2009, 8:10 pm

#747501

Lbug box is IRS
56 oval is split case swing axle
two very different gearboxes

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 15 Nov 2009, 8:43 pm

#747524

I would say the tubes should fit with the appropriate diff and sideplates installed if it's a dual side plate of course. Dave could confirm I'm sure.

Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 15 Nov 2009, 9:04 pm

#747531

Lbug boxes are single side plate

u cant fit a swinger diff

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 16 Nov 2009, 6:06 pm

#747704

Here is the box in question, it was removed from a bog stock unmodified LBug (budget bug). I've been informed is a rarer type of LBug box, but I'm no box guru.

The tubes I have laying around are from a 36hp split case, 56 beetle box.

Any advice is appreciated.

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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 16 Nov 2009, 6:23 pm

#747705

yeah well it's a swing axle box for sure........not sure about 36 axles, but thinking yes they can be used.

you will have to have a matching set of axles and housings, ie long later model axles wont mix with the short early housings

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 16 Nov 2009, 6:27 pm

#747707

AA 1200 4.375 From Chassis No 0 981 810
AB 1300 4.375 Up to 8/70
AC 1500 4.125 also some 1300 from 8/70
AD 1200 4.375 Limited Slip Differential
AE 1300 4.375 Limited Slip Differential
AF 1500 4.125 Limited Slip Differential up to 8/70; also some 1300 from 8/70
AG 1200 4.375 Type 147 Fridolin
AH 1500 4.125 IRS from 8/68
1600 4.125 8/69 ñ 8/72
AK 1500 3.875 Type 181 up to 8/70
1600 3.875 Type 181 from 8/70
AL 1500 3.875 Type 181 with LSD up to 8/70
1600 3.875 Type 181 with LSD from 8/70
AM 1300 4.375 Saloon and Cabrio from 8/70
AN 1600 3.875 Karmann Ghia with IRS from 8/70
AO 1600 4.125 Karmann Ghia from 8/70
AP 1300 4.375 LSD from 8/70
AQ 1600 4.125 LSD 8/70 ñ 8/72
AR 1600 3.875 Karmann Ghia with LSD from 8/70
AS 1600cc 3.875 From 3/72
AT 1600 3.875 1303s and Cabrio from 3/72
AU 1600 3.875 1303s and Cabrio from 3/72 with LSD
BA 1300 / 1500 4.375 Semi Automatic from 8/68 ñ 8/70
BC 1300 / 1500 4.375 Semi Automatic from 8/68 ñ 8/70 with LSD
BE 1600 4.125 Semi Automatic from 8/70 ñ 8/71
BF 1600 4.125 Semi Automatic from 8/70 ñ 8/71 with LSD
BG 1600 4.125 Karmann Ghia Semi Automatic from 8/70
BH 1300 4.125 Karmann Ghia Semi Automatic from 8/70 with LSD
BJ 1300 4.375 Semi Automatic from 8/70
BK 1300 4.375 Semi Automatic from 8/70 with LSD
BL 1600 4.125 Semi Auto
BK 1300 4.375 Semi Automatic from 8/70 with LSD
DA 1500 /1600 4.125 Type 3 Swing-axle up to 8/68
DB 1500 /1600 4.125 Type 3 Swing-axle up to 8/68 with LSD
DC 1500 /1600 4.125 Type 3 IRS from 8/68
DD 1500 /1600 4.125 Type 3 IRS from 8/68 with IRS

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 16 Nov 2009, 6:29 pm

#747708

its just a 74 1300 pov pack bug gearbox

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 16 Nov 2009, 6:34 pm

#747711

Joel wrote:its just a 74 1300 pov pack bug gearbox

Which means what ?

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 16 Nov 2009, 6:37 pm

#747714

hellbugged wrote:yeah well it's a swing axle box for sure........not sure about 36 axles, but thinking yes they can be used.

you will have to have a matching set of axles and housings, ie long later model axles wont mix with the short early housings

Thanks for the info, I've got a heap of short axles to match the tubes. The box is only temporary until I get a little more $$$ to build the bullet proof box.

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 16 Nov 2009, 6:38 pm

#747715

VWFREAK wrote:
Joel wrote:its just a 74 1300 pov pack bug gearbox
Which means what ?

its from a 74 1300 beetle
probably had an earier nose cone fitted if it has a 2 bolt mount

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 16 Nov 2009, 7:31 pm

#747719

Thanks Joel 😀

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 16 Nov 2009, 7:50 pm

#747723

PM Mr Butler (dangerous) to be sure......i'm sure he'll be on here as usual tomorrow morning early before his walk if you are seeking the definative answer asap...

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 16 Nov 2009, 8:12 pm

#747731

DB wasn't sure when I asked the same question 12 months ago. I ended up using 40hp axles and tubes so none the wiser here...

And Joel, I've been playing with these machines since before you were born, no disrespect cause you know a heap of stuff and I commend you for your quick responses regularly helping people out with info etc, BUT stop assuming every car is factory! They are ALL over 40 years old.

Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 16 Nov 2009, 8:42 pm

#747742

Thanks gents, just sent Dave a PM.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 16 Nov 2009, 9:31 pm

#747752

Yes, 36hp axles and tubes will bolt on,
provided the bearing caps used are the ones to suit the axle tubes.

Problem is the 36hp axles are weak and need the case splitting,(and the diff carrier disassembled) to retreive them.

Those 74 boxes from the 1300 are excellent, and have the exact same gear set as the L bug, except for the lower ratio 4.375 diff. (L-Bug is 3.875)
They also should come with the extra strong 15 and 10 tooth side gears.

I must have been lying to you Matt, or it was longer than 12 months ago.
We used 36hp axle tubes on Craig Hughes' gearbox
when it was built before the 2006(2007?) first Warwick event
He chose some mid sixties axles to use though, instead of the 36er ones.
Since been upgraed to SAW axles.

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 17 Nov 2009, 1:50 pm

#747825

matberry wrote:And Joel, I've been playing with these machines since before you were born, no disrespect cause you know a heap of stuff and I commend you for your quick responses regularly helping people out with info etc, BUT stop assuming every car is factory! They are ALL over 40 years old.

Matt, my apologies if i offended you
as usuall tact is MIA with most of my responses
i didnt realise at first Peter had a 1300 box not an Lbug box.

VWFREAK VWFREAK

2,577 posts · joined May 2004 · 17 Nov 2009, 5:59 pm

#747857

Sweet and thanks Dave 😁

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 17 Nov 2009, 9:50 pm

#747905

Joel wrote:
matberry wrote:And Joel, I've been playing with these machines since before you were born, no disrespect cause you know a heap of stuff and I commend you for your quick responses regularly helping people out with info etc, BUT stop assuming every car is factory! They are ALL over 40 years old.
Matt, my apologies if i offended you
as usuall tact is MIA with most of my responses
i didnt realise at first Peter had a 1300 box not an Lbug box.

No offence dude, and sorry if I jump to hard, just trying to say that they're hardly ever og.

Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 18 Nov 2009, 7:01 pm

#748045

its all good 👍

i know exactly where you're coming from, some of the PO bastardisations ive found would have old ferdi turning in his grave