Allllllrighty!... I'm going to be hoiking the 302 Cleveland motor out of my XD soon and throwing in a worked 351. The 302 should still be a good candidate as a rebuilder, so that is just what I intend to do... rebuild it... just cos I can.🙅
Now, I had a hairbrain idea the other day involving replacing the clapped out EA81 in my scoobydoo powered '76 Microbus project with something a little more sprightly... then the diabolical idea involving the Kombi and the soon to be spare V8 came to mind!🤓
Sooooo... dunno if it's been done before or if it's even feasibly possible, so I thought I'd ask for some opinions from the more adventurous people out there?
Dya reckon a Clevo could be crammed in there with the gearbox remaining where it is, would it require a bit of of modding of the engine lid and beavertail, if so, would ground clearance be any good, or is it just too big an engine to fit in that kinda hole?
Thoughts?... ideas? Bearing in mind I'm not going to go out of my way to find a V8 that WILL fit if a Cleveland won't... I'll just keep it Scooby.
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Kieran
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/ccan be done be prepared for plenty of crap from others, but they are probly right, sorry!
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mactaylor wrote:can be done be prepared for plenty of crap from others, but they are probly right, sorry!
Hey... if I cared what other people thought about my tastes, I wouldn't build VW's or Fords... so bring the crap on bishes!
🙅1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/cidea, sell the old 302 and ea81 and buy an EJ20 or something....?
Go the 302! Would be mad 👍 Do something different
colonel mustard wrote:idea, sell the old 302 and ea81 and buy an EJ20 or something....?
schmo likes things simple
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go on fella do it, you know you wanna
a few other bent 8 busses around, although they never fit under a stock doggy door
they pop a mean wheelie though
Heaps of people have fitted P76's.
Just make an extension for the engine lid.
Rebuild the 308, put it in the XD.
Put the worked 350 in the bus 🤘😎
would be better with a windsor as the v isnt as wide, and Simon you have holden ,chev on your mind there as ford motors are 302 and 351👍
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https://www.facebook.com/FlatFourI love Windsor V8's. They are a great unit and that is coming from a Holden/ GM man. However in the back of a bus the weight of the iron V8 would alter the weight distribution and handling in a more negative way than the increase in horsepower. A Subaru SOHC like the EJ22 will slip straight in with no mods to the body at all and have ample horsepower, albeit not as much torque. Big advantage is that the EJ22 will pass engineering and registration real easy.
pod wrote:would be better with a windsor as the v isnt as wide, and Simon you have holden ,chev on your mind there as ford motors are 302 and 351👍
Meh, same thing different badge lol
Thanks for the encouragement guys... I knew there were a few buses getting round with the Leyland and Rover V8's in em, just never really had the oppportunity to compare it to a Ford V8 and see how much of a size difference there is. I know the Windsor is a more compact engine than the Clevo... and I think I recall seeing one bus around that had a 302W in the back at a show once, but I figure seeing as tho I will have a spare Clevo sitting around (once I get the sloppy heads sorted), it might be worth having a shot at throwing it in... given the bus has been hacked a bit anyway when the scoob was put in.👍
Valid point about the handling Pete... I imagine it'd be a bit of a sack on corners and would need to go up a couple of splines at the rear and have a nice fat swaybar put on to make it handle at all, tho realistically it doesn't bother me too much. I wanna toy with this mostly for the sake of proving a point to myself! 😀 I know it would be a bit of a pain to get engineeered but nothing is impossible...👍
Not overly savvvy to the idea of an EJ motor really... I'd rather have minimal electronics for the sake of simplicity (yes I know a Carter TQ four-barrel is far from simple but still... ), so it'll either be a case of hack in the 302, or go with an EA82.
Anyway... I might do some measuring when I get time and see what kinda tolerances I'm dealing with.
CHeers!
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/cI think that with the torque of a 302 that you would be getting to know your gearbox builder *really* well, *really* often.
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modulus.com.auYeh I am thinking I'd probably be looking at getting hold of an 091 auto and having it maybe beefed up a little if possible... I'd had to be pulling a 302 out the bottom every 6 months when i trash a clutch anyway. 😂
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/cinvest in a hoist so you can life the car off the engine and box...
Mmmmmm... I am thining the beavertail would probably have to be modified anyway so I'd ay I'll end up making it removable if a V8 is to go in. Tho a hoist would be a nice bit of kit to have in the garage. Was actually half considering seeing if my dad will split the cost of one with me to have installed at his property, as at the moment he uses his mates one.... when it doesn't have a Stag, a GT6, or a MkII Jag on it! 😂
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/cput a lexus 4.0 V8 in.. light and would cost the sum of the ford rebuild parts...
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Schmoburger wrote:Mmmmmm... I am thining the beavertail would probably have to be modified anyway so I'd ay I'll end up making it removable if a V8 is to go in. Tho a hoist would be a nice bit of kit to have in the garage. Was actually half considering seeing if my dad will split the cost of one with me to have installed at his property, as at the moment he uses his mates one.... when it doesn't have a Stag, a GT6, or a MkII Jag on it! 😂
a pommy car with problems? you talk crazy
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nah its only prince of darkness that lets them down
i remember being stranded on the side of the road in a freinds MGA more than once courtesy of a lucas fuel pump
helbus wrote:I love Windsor V8's. They are a great unit and that is coming from a Holden/ GM man. However in the back of a bus the weight of the iron V8 would alter the weight distribution and handling in a more negative way than the increase in horsepower. A Subaru SOHC like the EJ22 will slip straight in with no mods to the body at all and have ample horsepower, albeit not as much torque. Big advantage is that the EJ22 will pass engineering and registration real easy.
THE WEIGHT OF THE fORD ENGINE WOULD BE TOO MUCH...
THATS WHY ALLOY V8s ARE USUALLY USED...
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yeah kombis can only carry a ton...they couldn't possibly carry an iron V8😁
Do it Schmo, we can race ya in the V6 lowlight and see who blows their gearbox first 😀
BWAHAHAHHHAAHAHH!!! Dunno Garth, I reckon with the CLevo I'd be more concerned about blowing the bottom end.... after the sump get's muched into the crank following an uber wheelstand! 😂
Ford and VW... a winning combination or what?!?!? 👍🤖
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/cNah, that's what wheelie bars are for 👍
Seriously though, extend the engine hatch as mentioned, raise the rear by about 2 splines and maybe some coil-overs if its too soft, hang a rad underneath.. doable
Probably more power and torque than you'll ever need and will require a few spare gearboxes, but that's all part of the fun.
gazman wrote:Probably more power and torque than you'll ever need and will require a few spare gearboxes, but that's all part of the fun.
Eeeeeeeexactly!
😎 Think I might give it a crack then methinks.....
1976 Kombi Trakka camper, "Buttercup"... driver.
1976 Beluxe Microbus, "Saphir"... resto.
1974 Kombi panelvan, "George"... shed.
1974 Superbug, "Schmeetle"... resto.
[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/cif you have to do it...
then don't waste time and money on kombi boxes. 2nd hand 091 start at $500. get onto todd treibler and buy one of his WRX boxes. It's shorter, which will make the conversion easier and they are rated for 350hp which is about what you need.
And i'd swap the clevo for a windsor too. Lighter and smaller. Their are heaps of late model hotup parts for them too.
Being a stoopid Pommie... what the feck are you talking about? (Sounds good judging by the reactions on here)
I'll explain it for you Balders...theres a guy here who has a very large boat anchor and thinks it would look nice in his kombi😂
rocknrob wrote:theres a guy here who has a very large boat anchor...
😂 no argument there....
ES, a lot of horrible old cars with blue oval badges over here came out with 302 or 351ci cast iron v8's...
gazman wrote:rocknrob wrote:theres a guy here who has a very large boat anchor...
😂 no argument there....
ES, a lot of horrible old cars with blue oval badges over here came out with 302 or 351ci cast iron v8's...
to be fair EVERY old car before about 1975 came out with a cast iron block. The only real exceptions were VWs and P76s.
