Brake Slave Cyls.... What are they!

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 29 May 2010, 10:06 am

#781643

Can someone ID this slave cylinder. I bought it in good faith of evil bay as Left Front Type 3 drum slave cylinders, however, they are nothing like the 64 ones. Also, it was two of the same, not the left hand set.

DH

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waveman1500 Also rides a Honda

1,346 posts · joined Dec 2009 · 29 May 2010, 10:30 am

#781653

Looks like a slave cylinder for a hydraulic clutch to me, brake slave cylinders are almost always double-ended (one cylinder drilled all the way through with a piston in each end). Obviously air-cooled VWs don't have a hydraulic clutch so it's from some mystery car. Complain to eBay or look for a part number so you can re-list them.

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 29 May 2010, 10:50 am

#781660

waveman1500 wrote:Looks like a slave cylinder for a hydraulic clutch to me, brake slave cylinders are almost always double-ended (one cylinder drilled all the way through with a piston in each end). Obviously air-cooled VWs don't have a hydraulic clutch so it's from some mystery car. Complain to eBay or look for a part number so you can re-list them.

Definitely a brake cyl of some type similar to Type 3 but smaller in length . Type 3 front brakes have one slave cyl per shoe. These ones are only slightly different centres from mount holes to brake line/bleeder boss. Maybe a 63 Type 3 or earlier but I have no ifo plus they are useless to me anyhow.

DH

waveman1500 Also rides a Honda

1,346 posts · joined Dec 2009 · 29 May 2010, 10:59 am

#781663

Well, you learn something every day. How much smaller are they? Is it possible that they're just really badly made reproductions of Type 3 ones which got the bolt holes wrong?

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 29 May 2010, 11:13 am

#781666

waveman1500 wrote:Well, you learn something every day. How much smaller are they? Is it possible that they're just really badly made reproductions of Type 3 ones which got the bolt holes wrong?

You've got to get away from those primitive Type 1 cars. 😂 Yep Type 3 fronts are totally different to Bugs.

Not a chance they are a bit wrong. The link tube holes are in a totally different place to the 64 Type 3. See pic.

DH

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waveman1500 Also rides a Honda

1,346 posts · joined Dec 2009 · 29 May 2010, 1:04 pm

#781679

1500S wrote:You've got to get away from those primitive Type 1 cars. 😂 Yep Type 3 fronts are totally different to Bugs.
DH

I did have a Type 3, but it was a '73 with disc brakes, so that didn't teach me anything about the early girls and their primitive drum brakes! Personally I would complain to the seller first and ask for an exchange or refund as they are not 'as described'. If they don't want to help you then complain to eBay. Good luck!

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 29 May 2010, 1:39 pm

#781681

waveman1500 wrote:
1500S wrote:You've got to get away from those primitive Type 1 cars. 😂 Yep Type 3 fronts are totally different to Bugs.
DH
I did have a Type 3, but it was a '73 with disc brakes, so that didn't teach me anything about the early girls and their primitive drum brakes! Personally I would complain to the seller first and ask for an exchange or refund as they are not 'as described'. If they don't want to help you then complain to eBay. Good luck!

Too late to contact them as I've had them around for near 12 months. Bought them with the thoughts I may need them one day which has now arrived!

If they can be identified, then they may suit someone on here.

DH

grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 29 May 2010, 9:11 pm

#781746

Possibly early imported type 3 with pushbutton dash or early kombi.One of the VW spare parts guys should be able to tell you.Vintage perhaps or Volksbahn.

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 29 May 2010, 9:27 pm

#781749

Hi Dallas

Never seen anything like that...

I presume Your 1500S has two slave cylinders for each wheel..

on the front...

and that these look similar to yours...??

If You are like Me Dallas,
I check My Evil buys months later...
then I can't remember who I bought them off...
and its too late to complain to evil buy... lol
which it usually is... lol

Do You know if Australian made early type 3s had brakes like your 1500S ??

LEE

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 29 May 2010, 9:28 pm

#781750

grumble wrote:Possibly early imported type 3 with pushbutton dash or early kombi.One of the VW spare parts guys should be able to tell you.Vintage perhaps or Volksbahn.

You may need part numbers for that??

LEE

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 29 May 2010, 10:10 pm

#781754

grumble wrote:Possibly early imported type 3 with pushbutton dash or early kombi.One of the VW spare parts guys should be able to tell you.Vintage perhaps or Volksbahn.

Hi Grumble. Yes, I think they are off an "up to 63" Type 3 but not sure. They are 22mm bore and the link hole looks like it's where the 63 model is although I think I saw somewhere that early ones were a smaller bore. I can use the pistons etc but housings are scrap (to me!!) unless someone wants them.

DH

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 29 May 2010, 10:20 pm

#781756

68AutoBug wrote:Hi Dallas

Never seen anything like that...

I presume Your 1500S has two slave cylinders for each wheel..

on the front...

and that these look similar to yours...??

If You are like Me Dallas,
I check My Evil buys months later...
then I can't remember who I bought them off...
and its too late to complain to evil buy... lol
which it usually is... lol

Do You know if Australian made early type 3s had brakes like your 1500S ??

LEE

I'm a bit like that too Lee. When they arrived I had a quick look at one and threw it on the shelf for a later needed day!

As far as I know, all OZ type 3s had the same fronts as the "real" 1500 S from '64 until the disks arrived in '68 or '69. I've never owned anything earlier than a 64. I'd swap to disks except that I want to keep it all original. I've got new rears but I'll have to sleeve the fronts to avoid future hassles. I think I know someone who can do that job for me at a reasonable price. 😂

DH

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5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 30 May 2010, 6:35 am

#781775

Hi Dallas,
the factory manual shows those ones to be the "early" wheel cylinders.

From chassis number 0027850 they increased the wheel cylinder size from 20.64 to 22.2 on models 31 and 34,

although model 36(wagon?) had this size from the first model(chassis 0009330).

This coincided with a master cylinder with 36mm stroke as opposed to the previous one with 33 strocke(same diameter).

Of note was that these early cars only had 231mm diameter brake drums front and rear.
(identified by a swirl pattern on the outside of the drum, instead of the later straight ribs).

From Chassis number 0221975 all type 3s were fitted with the upgraded("reinforced") brake system to account for the higher top speed.
master cylinder was reduced in size from 20.64 to 19.05,
variant wheel cylinders in the rear reduced from 25.4 to 23.8mm(!?),
and brake drums front and rear increased from 231mm to 248mm.

....which is when they changed the front wheel cylinder design..(and all the other brake associated parts(even the stub size from memory!)

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 30 May 2010, 8:44 am

#781783

Thanks for the full info Dave. When I got them they were sold as early Type 3 but no numbers. With the bores being 22 but the shorter cyls they would be the early wagon ones for the smaller drums.

Now it's time to do a full rebuild on all parts as the master cyl has a bit of a weep even though it was a NOS one about 7 years back. Nothing lasts these days!!

DH

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2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 31 May 2010, 9:42 pm

#782130

1500S wrote:
grumble wrote:Possibly early imported type 3 with pushbutton dash or early kombi.One of the VW spare parts guys should be able to tell you.Vintage perhaps or Volksbahn.
Hi Grumble. Yes, I think they are off an "up to 63" Type 3 but not sure. They are 22mm bore and the link hole looks like it's where the 63 model is although I think I saw somewhere that early ones were a smaller bore. I can use the pistons etc but housings are scrap (to me!!) unless someone wants them.

DH

Nothing is scrap as I chased for months to find a set of early wheel cylinders for a customers 1963 1500 and ended up getting the originals resleeved.The car is original,needs repainting but has been in the family since new.Cheers Les

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 31 May 2010, 9:59 pm

#782140

grumble wrote:
1500S wrote:
grumble wrote:Possibly early imported type 3 with pushbutton dash or early kombi.One of the VW spare parts guys should be able to tell you.Vintage perhaps or Volksbahn.
Hi Grumble. Yes, I think they are off an "up to 63" Type 3 but not sure. They are 22mm bore and the link hole looks like it's where the 63 model is although I think I saw somewhere that early ones were a smaller bore. I can use the pistons etc but housings are scrap (to me!!) unless someone wants them.

DH
Nothing is scrap as I chased for months to find a set of early wheel cylinders for a customers 1963 1500 and ended up getting the originals resleeved.The car is original,needs repainting but has been in the family since new.Cheers Les

In the end it's far easier and quicker to sleeve the originals Les. Seeing it was a miserable here with the rain today I bored and sleeved them and they are ready for new innards.............. and it cost me zero $$ as well!!

Maybe someone on here wants the two early ones.

DH