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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#721101
Here are some pics of how I do it.

Some people just bore the hole for the barrel
right down to the bottom... with a sharp tool.

If it does not break through behind #3
it will most likely crack (from the sharp corner) at some point soon.

Some people do not "deck" the barrel face either.

My first step is to spot face the case savers
so they will not lift the barrel at all, when the head nuts are tensioned.
I spot face them about .010" below the proposed final deck.





I then "deck the case" ...usually about .070", to make sure that ALL four will clean up
and have a nice flat surface for the barrel to sit on.



All surfaces must be at the same height from the crankshaft centreline.



First step is for piston clearance,
and second step locates the barrel.

Before decking #3, I press in a sleeve
on top of the 'deep' top case saver,
to get a bit more support.
See the top stud hole closest to the FW.



By doing the bore and deck in one machine setting
you know that they are dead square.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#721102
You will note that the decking process is only removing just enough material for the barrel to sit on.



Also note that I have used a nice large radius in the corners. (3mm radius)
Going to a larger bore,
is a good way to remove he sharp corners that are there from the VW factory.
Sharp corners are a good place for cracks to start,
so it is good to get rid of them.



Doing the job properly takes twice as long as boring the hole straight to the bottom,
with no steps , radii, or decking.
But it will give your engine a good base for a better lifespan
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Brian Officially Full-On Dubber

263 posts · joined Jun 2007 ·

#721106
only a complete fuckwit would bore the case without a step

there is a few fuckwits out there
😂

trickysimon 100km/h is only 9 seconds away

1,473 posts · joined Dec 2007 ·

#721117
Always wanted to see how this was done 👍

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#721122
perfect and to the "nth degree" as always DB 😎

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#721203
How much do u charge for this kinda service dangerous?
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#721221
I don't do it for anybody, it takes too long.
I am currently doing it on my big lathe,
so all the studs and oil suction pipe need to be removed.

I am saving up for a milling machine, may be then...prob about .....?





westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#721227
wow...excellent stuff.

Once the mill arrives the sky is the limit

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#721249
Dave well done as usual.

Not trying to steal any thunder, but if anyone wants this done, I (and probably Dave too) can organise it in Bris. Cost runs around $220- $270.

As a comparison, a less perfecto job may be around $120
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#721331
matberry wrote:around $220- $270.
OK.
May be I WILL do some for people!🤪
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#721405
^^^^^About time Dave
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#721568
Good work Dave...........unfortunately there is plenty of workshops out there just boring a hole straight through, some using a drill press!!!


dekkerboy Slammed & Awesome Dubber

96 posts · joined Oct 2009 ·

#752324
Mick motors charge $220 for the case to be milled for 94's

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#786254
Craig Torrens wrote:Good work Dave...........unfortunately there is plenty of workshops out there just boring a hole straight through, some using a drill press!!!

as a reference Stan Pobjoy charges $122 ($156 for an Aluminium case)for this work.....with the step bore, radius corners and the faces machined (and yes its perfect!)

If anyone is getting this type of work done, then make sure you use a trained machinist that knows what they are doing.(and yes Dave is trained!)
I think these prices may have changed now.
See the PDF attachment that Craig posted, for the latest prices.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

76bug Officially Full-On Dubber

215 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·

#786260
wow its gone up $7 for a MAG case, its still half the price of some other places and top quality

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#786330
Oh, thats a bargain then!
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#946771
HANG the price

Finding someone to do the job or is interetsed in it is far more important


Good machine shops are disappearing VERY fast
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


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nils Fahrvergnugen

971 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#946824
thanks for the write up dave, always interested in this stuff
Quit calling rust patina

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#946911
This is nearly 4 years ago.
I have had my milling machine for a while now, so dont use the lathe any more.

Who ever people get to do their case machining,
ask them to use a radius tool (minimum 2 mm radii),
spot face the case savers just below the final deck,
and sleeve the #3 deep stud hole
to help support that thin web that is left when boring for 94's.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

bushed Wolfsburg Elder

3,541 posts · joined Dec 2006 ·

#1030416
need to replace a broken head-stud 8mm ! recent Mexican case ..stud snapped on 1661 tp mtr
had a case saver in it ....hours to remove....anyone got larger savers ?
tried Micks just need 1 for ca 13mm dia saver and a 8 mm stud
happy to pay postage etc

0421286423
Bern...happy to come for a drive Sat?
want any vw bits old but like me, Made in Germany!!!