Hi i am trying to work out what motor this is that is out of my 2/1955 oval bug.
Thanks for any help
cheers
jamie
jamiec Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Apr 2009 ·
What motor is this for my 55 oval 1100 or 1200?
h fractals - an ever changing lifestyle
7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·
in the top pic take the rag off then take another pic or two so we can see n make a better decision
if the genny stand is part of the block ie not bolted on it will be a 1100
if the genny stand is part of the block ie not bolted on it will be a 1100
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jamiec Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Apr 2009 ·
Ok must be an 1100 as you can see in the bottom pic the gen stand is part of the block.
jamiec Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Apr 2009 ·
Ok i have some more pics hope this helps
OZ Towdster Keen to finish some projects
1,921 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
Get rid of the bloody rag for the photos but from what i can currently see it is definetly NOT a 1200 as it has a side mounted fuel pump and the genny stand is part of the case .
Which in other words means its a 36 hp / 1100 cc motor .
Which in other words means its a 36 hp / 1100 cc motor .
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
Menangler Custom Title Time!
1,991 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
That is a 36hp engine, displacement is 1192cc, or 1200cc
It is not an 1100cc engine, these are 25hp, actual displacement is 1131cc these are found in pre mid '53 cars, not many made it to Australia.
People always refer to 36hp engines as 1100's but they are not.
It is not an 1100cc engine, these are 25hp, actual displacement is 1131cc these are found in pre mid '53 cars, not many made it to Australia.
People always refer to 36hp engines as 1100's but they are not.
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1500S Custom Title Time!
1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·
Yep! Was just looking it up and the so called 1100 is actually 1131 cc at 75mm bore x 64mm stroke.Menangler wrote:That is a 36hp engine, displacement is 1192cc, or 1200cc
It is not an 1100cc engine, these are 25hp, actual displacement is 1131cc these are found in pre mid '53 cars, not many made it to Australia.
People always refer to 36hp engines as 1100's but they are not.
The 36 HP engine was certainly a 1200 engine, well, actually 1192 cc 😊 the same as the 40 HP at 77mm bore x 64mm stroke. The 40 HP was the first 1200 with the bolted on separate generator stand............... then again, it would have been the "intermediate" Kombi engine which came in first?? 😂 http://www.type2.com/library/engineg/40hp.htmOZ Towdster wrote:Get rid of the bloody rag for the photos but from what i can currently see it is definetly NOT a 1200 as it has a side mounted fuel pump and the genny stand is part of the case .
Which in other words means its a 36 hp / 1100 cc motor .
Can't find the tech info on them. They had the crank end float set by bearing 2, not 1 as the other aircooled VWs. Made good land fill.
DH
jamiec Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Apr 2009 ·
Sorry about that rag i can't remove it at the moment as i am about 2500 klm away in Brisbane at the moment😂
h fractals - an ever changing lifestyle
7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·
that's ok..
it's a generic 1100 for most of us 😂
it's a generic 1100 for most of us 😂
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Z = Z2 + C1/r = 1/0 = infinity
Barrels www.barrelman.com.au
VW Workshop - aircooledgarage.com.au
allcooled.com.au
1500S Custom Title Time!
1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·
🙅 If they have been 1200 since mid 1953 why would most of the VW fraternity call them 1100?!h wrote:that's ok..
it's a generic 1100 for most of us 😂
DH
karmann54 Officially Full-On Dubber
337 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·
Definitely a 36HP, also with the "-1-" starting the engine number it is a pre August '55 engine. The '56 model car dropped the "-1-" prefix. More than likely the original engine. There are some subtle differences, but the -1- motors were basically the same as later 36HPs. The tube for the ignition leads is 'early', single-tip exhaust, air cleaner etc. Basic block is the same.
I think the "1100" name came because in Australia there were very few 30HP cars. When the 40HP came out it was just an easy way to differentiate, even though the 36HP/40HP were actually the same displacement.
I think the "1100" name came because in Australia there were very few 30HP cars. When the 40HP came out it was just an easy way to differentiate, even though the 36HP/40HP were actually the same displacement.
Phil74Camper Head in the Clouds
2,703 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
The 'VW fraternity' often gets things wrong. Calling the 36-hp 1200 a '1100' is only one example. Things like confusing 'T2' with 'Type 2' is another. 'T' and 'Type' are not the same thing. Calling the T3 Kombi the 'T25' is another - wrong, it isn't, it's a 'Type 25' 'T3'. Calling the T2 a 'bay window' - a stupid name as architectural bay windows are angular, multi-paned and multi-sashed. And a name Volkswagen never used. Calling the Superbug the '1302' or '1303' - no they are different. Our Superbugs were the same as the 1302S and 1303S - the Euro plain 1302 and 1303 models had 1200cc engines. And so on. Minor points perhaps but confusing to newbies.If they have been 1200 since mid 1953 why would most of the VW fraternity call them 1100?!
DH
Some 1100cc Beetles were sold in Australia, as they were first imported in late 1953. There was an official launch at the Sydney Royal Easter Show in April 1954, but by June 1954 they had already upgraded to the 36-bhp 1200; I have a copy of a SMH road test of that time. Around 1,700 Beetles were sold to the end of 1954; probably less than a fifth of those would have been 1100cc.
HappyDaze Superannuated
2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
Yeah Phil, and what about IRS❗ Surely SWING-AXLES are IRS (independent rear suspension)? Later TRAILING ARM rear suspension is also IRS.
Cheers, Greg
Cheers, Greg
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jamiec Seriously Crusin Dubber
112 posts · joined Apr 2009 ·
Yes it can all be confusing for us newbies😬 And i agree the swing axles are a type of IRS like the trailing arm rear suspension is a type of IRS system.
So i must have what is refered to as an 36hp motor that is called a 1200 that is actually an 1192cc motor 😂 well think i have got that worked out now😂😬
And it is not the 1192cc 1200 that is known as the 40hp motor o why do they make things so hard🙅
cheers
jamie
So i must have what is refered to as an 36hp motor that is called a 1200 that is actually an 1192cc motor 😂 well think i have got that worked out now😂😬
And it is not the 1192cc 1200 that is known as the 40hp motor o why do they make things so hard🙅
cheers
jamie
HappyDaze Superannuated
2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
I know it's all very hard, jamiec. Tell you what, if it all gets too much for you, give me a call, and I'll help by taking that silly old Beetle off your hands.😂
Cheers, Greg
Cheers, Greg
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1500S Custom Title Time!
1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·
👍 on there Greg! Even VW call the later ones "double joint" suspension in their blurb on the" new technology" and yet so many seem to think it was only this later one which deserved the term IRS. It all started with the auto transmission on the Type 3s. Semi auto on Bugs?? It's education! We have to educate everyone, especially the newbies on correct terminology so we all speak the same language.HappyDaze wrote:Yeah Phil, and what about IRS❗ Surely SWING-AXLES are IRS (independent rear suspension)? Later TRAILING ARM rear suspension is also IRS.
Cheers, Greg
DH
Phil74Camper Head in the Clouds
2,703 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Spot on Greg. ALL Volkswagens from the air-cooled era had four-wheel independent suspension, regardless of swing-axle or trailing arm rear end. In fact I'm trying to think of the first VW that didn't - hmm, probably the large LT truck from 1978, a few years before the US-designed Rabbit (Golf) pickup, both of which had a solid rear axle and leaf springs.
Another one - thinking VWs won countless Redex Trials. No, they only won one! The '53 was won by a Peugeot, the '54 by Gelignite Jack in his '48 Ford, and only the third and last in '55 was won by a VW (Laurie Whitehead). VW also only won one of the three Ampol trials - the '57. The '56 was won a Peugeot, and the '58 by a Holden. But VWs DID win all three Mobilgas Trials, the '56, '57 and '58. In '57 VWs were 1-2-3-4-5-6.
Another one - thinking VWs won countless Redex Trials. No, they only won one! The '53 was won by a Peugeot, the '54 by Gelignite Jack in his '48 Ford, and only the third and last in '55 was won by a VW (Laurie Whitehead). VW also only won one of the three Ampol trials - the '57. The '56 was won a Peugeot, and the '58 by a Holden. But VWs DID win all three Mobilgas Trials, the '56, '57 and '58. In '57 VWs were 1-2-3-4-5-6.