Setting Timing 009 Dizzy

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 · 31 Aug 2010, 6:39 pm

#799582

Hi

Have bought a 009 dizzy, and fitted a compufire kit into it, will be installing it this weekend, and wanted to know how to go about setting the timing.

Is it as per normal? (1300 F series engine is 7.5 BTDC)

1.How do I static time with the compufire?

2.Is all in the better way to go? and how do I tell if its all in with a standard pulley?

Its probably not as hard as i'm making it out to be in my head but I just thought I get some help.

Cheers

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 31 Aug 2010, 7:26 pm

#799598

Hi

I dont think you cant static time with electronic ignition, never tried it.

You could safely run about 10 BTDC, measure your pulley circumference then divide by 360, then multply by 23.5 to get a 30 BTDC marking.

Steve

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 · 31 Aug 2010, 7:36 pm

#799601

Hope you marked, or will mark, the crank pulley at the FULL advance point (use the timing light) BEFORE removing the old distributor, Shaun. You can the set the 009 to the mark. Didn't take long to make the decision to change to the 009.🙅

Cheers, Greg

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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 · 31 Aug 2010, 7:57 pm

#799610

Well I thought the 009 can be used on anything after changing from stock so it was sooner or later.

I'll be sure to mark the full advance point before starting the removal, I'll see how I go.

Cheers

Shaun

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 · 31 Aug 2010, 7:59 pm

#799611

1303Steve wrote:I dont think you cant static time with electronic ignition, never tried it.

Steve

Yeah, i'd have to look into this, maybe with a test light its still possible, normally I just wait for the points to spark (cheers sides).

The other thing is there doesn't appear to me a mark on the dizzy for cylinder 1... can anyone point it out on a 009

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 31 Aug 2010, 9:24 pm

#799626

I often static time my 009 with a compufire ignition - no problem. Seems exactly the same as points, except you don't have to set the points gap first.

From your ole' mate Jeff

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 31 Aug 2010, 11:45 pm

#799666

sander288 wrote:Well I thought the 009 can be used on anything after changing from stock so it was sooner or later.

I'll be sure to mark the full advance point before starting the removal, I'll see how I go.

Cheers

Shaun

Hi Shaun,

I always timed mine with a timing lamp at around 3200 rpm using a tachometer.. at maximum advance of 28 - 32 degrees
BTDC... I did it at 32 then 30 then 28.. as different people have different ideas..

Now I have purchased a NEW Bosch SVDA single vacuum dual advance distributor.... and it eats the 009 dissy... lol
so smooth...
I just love to drive it... one toe on the accelerator...
is all it takes... no pushing the accelerator to the floor to get the 009 to advance....
and fuel economy is just great.... much much better...

009 are for engines with lightened flywheels etc...
so, they advance when the engine revs....

the SVDA advances as soon as You touch the accelerator and more vacuum is made... EXCELLENT..

I couldn't go back to a 009...
and they were NEVER used by Volkswagen....

good choice VW...

LEE

check out; aircooled.net in the USA for info...

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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 · 1 Sep 2010, 7:00 am

#799678

Hi lee

Yeah the drivability isn't a concern the motor is pretty much driven flat out of not driven at all... it's becoming a race car.

Jeff, do you use a test light to set it statically?

Cheers

Shaun

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 · 1 Sep 2010, 9:48 pm

#799850

http://www.vw-resource.com/timing_discussion.html

best link for timing, and alot of things actually!

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 1 Sep 2010, 11:49 pm

#799874

sander288 wrote:Hi lee

Yeah the drivability isn't a concern the motor is pretty much driven flat out of not driven at all... it's becoming a race car.

Jeff, do you use a test light to set it statically?

Cheers

Shaun

009s are NOT to be timed statically...

they MUST be timed at Maximum advance....

with a strobe type timing lamp....

whatever the idle ends up... that's it...

Maximum advance is what You want.....

if You are using twin carbs... then the 009 is usually the go..

LEE

IMHO

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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 · 2 Sep 2010, 9:38 am

#799912

http://www.hot-spark.com/Hot-Spark-009-VW-Type-I-Pulley-Degree-Template.pdf

nice template for finding the degrees on the pulley

BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 2 Sep 2010, 9:24 pm

#800042

sander288 wrote:Jeff, do you use a test light to set it statically?

Cheers

Shaun

Shaun, I don't use a test light to set the timing, I just set the pulley to where I want it to fire, then rotate the distributor untill I hear the 'click'. I do often check the advance with a timing light though, and so far have not found a problem.

Lee, why is it that 009s are NOT to be timed staticly? Peter Richards always does it that way - he told me NOT to time it with a timing light.

From your ole' mate Jeff

modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 3 Sep 2010, 2:54 am

#800113

Jeff,
Since there may be many variations in your distributor setup (centrifugal weights, spring tensions, limit stops etc. etc.) static timing is only the start point of total advance - real total advance will only be determined when the centrifugal operation is fully extended as X000 RPM. Indeed, varying the wieghts, adjusting the springs etc. is exactly the mechanism used to tune the advance curve of a mechanical distributor, so a 'tuned' 009 will have different curve and possibly a different total advance to a 'standard' 009. At 5000 RPM, your engine no longer cares what the static timing was, it only sees the total advance. So timing with a light will allow you to set maximum total advance accurately, whereas static timing only determines the starting point.

With vacumm advance distributors things get a bit more complex as manifold vacuum is overlayed on the centrifugal advance system, but that is not an issue with 009s.

hth

Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
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