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cam070 Custom Title Time!

1,332 posts · joined Jul 2009 ·

#800268
The friggin government is still missing the point and wasting time on a small percentage of cars. Come on pollies tackle the big issues, how about sustainable power. While you might not see the plumes of smog coming out of power stations they still burn coal and that makes CO2.

We have the ideal climate and geography for solar. We did have some of the greatest solar research happening here until the government cut funding to science. Correct me if I am wromg but this could have been KRudd.

Ask yourself when was teh last time you heard Peter Garret say we shoudl move away from coal power. Bet he hasn't mentioned it since joining the Labor party. The ask why this is!

How many cars do they think they will get off the road anyways?

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#800313
jonnyb wrote:The american cash for clunkers removed a lot of older cars from the roads
Oh yea? well it also removed alot of perfectly good high end late model cars too like this



I gotta watch what i say seeing as my sister in-law is 'merican but god damn cars are so disposable to them.
anything more than 5 years old is an old junker there
her first car which was "sooooooo oooooold" was a 2001 model 🤪

jonnyb Seriously Crusin Dubber

138 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#800483
that i did not see coming.to stupid does not cover it!

cam070 Custom Title Time!

1,332 posts · joined Jul 2009 ·

#800853
I just had another thought on this. The cash for clunkers scheme is supposed to be a green initiative which is fine. However, rather than trying to encourage people to trade up to cars that they probably can't afford, using a grant that will probably be ineffectual and result in more money going offshore, as there are probably only a couple of models manufactured locally, why doesn't the government give us grants for computer controlled fuel injection systems.

Sounds a bit daft I know, but probably not as daft as the clunkers scheme. Source locally built EFI computers and parts, have local mechanics/technicians install them and we should get cars emit less pollutants, money goes into local economy.

OK, candidate cars would have to pass a quality test first to qualify so we don't waste cash on complete rubbish cars.

Also means we waste less energy on recycling/melting old cars to make new ones.

I'm sure theer are a few holes in my idea, but I've hardly spend tens of thousands of tax payer dollars coming up with it!

Wannavee Insano Dub Head

729 posts · joined Sep 2008 ·

#800856
Why dont the government just piss off and leave the classic car community alone....dickheads

waveman1500 Also rides a Honda

1,346 posts · joined Dec 2009 ·

#800858
cam070 wrote:I just had another thought on this. The cash for clunkers scheme is supposed to be a green initiative which is fine. However, rather than trying to encourage people to trade up to cars that they probably can't afford, using a grant that will probably be ineffectual and result in more money going offshore, as there are probably only a couple of models manufactured locally, why doesn't the government give us grants for computer controlled fuel injection systems.

Sounds a bit daft I know, but probably not as daft as the clunkers scheme. Source locally built EFI computers and parts, have local mechanics/technicians install them and we should get cars emit less pollutants, money goes into local economy.

OK, candidate cars would have to pass a quality test first to qualify so we don't waste cash on complete rubbish cars.

Also means we waste less energy on recycling/melting old cars to make new ones.

I'm sure theer are a few holes in my idea, but I've hardly spend tens of thousands of tax payer dollars coming up with it!
That would definitely make a lot more sense than the cash for clunkers scheme! As an extension of that idea, imagine the government giving a grant/rebate (like the LPG conversion rebate) for individuals to upgrade their cars to newer and more efficient engines. Imagine for example the owner of a VN Commodore being given a subsidy towards installing the engine from a wrecked newer-model Commodore, like a VE Alloytec. The combination of a VE engine in a lighter VN would use less fuel than a VE Commodore, and the re-use of the old car body is much more environmentally friendly than building a new car and scrapping the old one. Simply melt down that old VN V6 for scrap, and everyone's happy! Similarly any Falcon from the last 40+ years could take a modern Falcon 6 cylinder, and even things like a V8 Kingswood could be upgraded to an LS1 for huge efficiency gains! Let's see the government put their money where their mouth is!
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cam070 Custom Title Time!

1,332 posts · joined Jul 2009 ·

#800889
waveman1500 wrote:
cam070 wrote:I just had another thought on this. The cash for clunkers scheme is supposed to be a green initiative which is fine. However, rather than trying to encourage people to trade up to cars that they probably can't afford, using a grant that will probably be ineffectual and result in more money going offshore, as there are probably only a couple of models manufactured locally, why doesn't the government give us grants for computer controlled fuel injection systems.

Sounds a bit daft I know, but probably not as daft as the clunkers scheme. Source locally built EFI computers and parts, have local mechanics/technicians install them and we should get cars emit less pollutants, money goes into local economy.

OK, candidate cars would have to pass a quality test first to qualify so we don't waste cash on complete rubbish cars.

Also means we waste less energy on recycling/melting old cars to make new ones.

I'm sure theer are a few holes in my idea, but I've hardly spend tens of thousands of tax payer dollars coming up with it!
That would definitely make a lot more sense than the cash for clunkers scheme! As an extension of that idea, imagine the government giving a grant/rebate (like the LPG conversion rebate) for individuals to upgrade their cars to newer and more efficient engines. Imagine for example the owner of a VN Commodore being given a subsidy towards installing the engine from a wrecked newer-model Commodore, like a VE Alloytec. The combination of a VE engine in a lighter VN would use less fuel than a VE Commodore, and the re-use of the old car body is much more environmentally friendly than building a new car and scrapping the old one. Simply melt down that old VN V6 for scrap, and everyone's happy! Similarly any Falcon from the last 40+ years could take a modern Falcon 6 cylinder, and even things like a V8 Kingswood could be upgraded to an LS1 for huge efficiency gains! Let's see the government put their money where their mouth is!
I was expecting to see people shoot my idea down in flames because fo something blindingly obvious I had omitted, but you are right, that could make a nice extension. Not sure how easy it would be, but we could be onto something that makes more sense than cash for clunkers, which some day we will probably find out is really cash for chronies and pollies getting back handers from car manufacturers to help them sell more cars.

Uber Kafer Wolfsburg Wizard

414 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#800965
well just in case any government advisors are trolling the interweb researching public opinion...

The US cash for clunkers was a poorly conceived decision resulting from immense lobbying by the massive US auto industry who had their hands out when the govt was planning financial stimulus action for an economy that was on its knees. By comparison the us car industry is already over pampered, seriously un-competitive against foreign brand manufacturers, and cars are on the US local market for half of what we pay here, and the big names Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, etc have been offerring interest free car loans for decades. As it turned out, a majority of people used the scheme as they had already decided to get a new car anyway. In hindsight it was pork-barrelling on a grand scale, with a very tenuous link to global environmental issues. A similiar scheme in Germany was also considered a failure in hindsight.

Australia cannot and should not reference these schemes, and it would be seriously cynical to try and compare our situation with any other.

The on-ground impact will be experienced by many who can only afford cheap cars, and are extremely dependent on them as they have no realistic alternatives such as public transport to commute to work etc. Remember, not everyone lives in high density built-up areas with good public transport. The scheme will just crank up the sale price of the cheap cars to around the rebate $ value.
This proposal is Big-City-centric, dumb policy-making, pandering to extreme environmental ideology, and made me instantly decide to vote against labor.

cam070 Custom Title Time!

1,332 posts · joined Jul 2009 ·

#800996
Uber Kafer wrote:well just in case any government advisors are trolling the interweb researching public opinion...

The US cash for clunkers was a poorly conceived decision resulting from immense lobbying by the massive US auto industry who had their hands out ....


This proposal is Big-City-centric, dumb policy-making, pandering to extreme environmental ideology, and made me instantly decide to vote against labor.
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I think you may have nailed the reason why will see the scheme soon. Poorly conceived and dumb policy, sounds like labor through and through and no doubt gillard and her chronies will be getting kick backs.

I only wish your vote counted for more.