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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#801979
I was talking to a friend of mine in the UK and he has had a motor built with a fk-10 cam and runs different ratios on his inlet and outlet valves.

1.4:1 (inlet) 1.25:1 (outlet)

Is there any merit to doing this? its the first time i've heard of mixed ratios on the rockers...

The motor makes good power though so it must be ok

Cheers

Shaun
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#801980
Yep, no problem except you need to buy two sets of rockers😂.

If the balance of inlet to exhaust flow of the head is not where the engine builder wants it, this is one way to get the flow rates where desired.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#801988
So in affect, this engine builder wants more exhasut to flow out, so has allowed for a bigger ratio?
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1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

Gracey Wolfsburg Wizard

511 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#801990
Going by what you've posted "1.4:1 (inlet) 1.25:1 (outlet)" I'd say it want's less.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#802001
Volksie heads are inherently poor performers on the intake, and most off the shelf heads flow more on the exhaust than some heads guys want, when compared to what can be achieved with the intake.
This combo with the 1.25's on the exhaust, is reducing the lift on the exhaust to effectively decrease the flow that he would have had if all the same ratio's were used. It changes the flow ratio of exhaust to Inlet.
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Newt Wolfsburg Wizard

478 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#802364
Matt,

Is it a problem if your exhaust over floweth?

Newt
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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#802366
Yeah - you will get exhausted.. lol
From your ole' mate Jeff

Newt Wolfsburg Wizard

478 posts · joined Mar 2008 ·

#802367
I would have thought that that would have been better than being constipated?

Newt
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#802386
Newt wrote:Matt,

Is it a problem if your exhaust over floweth?

Newt
Well, not such a 'problem', but when your chasing every ounce of performance, and who isn't, there is a flow ratio to aim for. It's the same principle that is used when deciding the valve sizes. A smaller exhaust valve is used as once the combustion has occured, the increased temperature and burnt gasses don't need as much space, and this gets optimised, same for the ports and exhaust system. It's the fine tuning of these areas that customises an engine for a specific aplication. Such as, a bigger exhaust for more power but less torque and visa versa.

And it's better than being exhausted..... and way better than constipation !!!😂
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#896536
Reviving this old thread;

Some talk with Col at Eastern creek and also with Craig T this weekend got me thinking; Col said put some 1:1 rockers on the exhaust valves but I though why not go bigger with the intake instead?

Would some 1.25:1 rockers on the intakes be ok with a Pobjoy 37/68 Cam?

Would anything need to be changed apart from the rocker?

Can anyone speculate as to whether this would help at all?

Cheers

Shaun
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

Gracey Wolfsburg Wizard

511 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#896549
I have used 1.25:1 rockers on a 37/68 cam. It works well however it puts more stress on the valve springs, so if your springs are getting old you need to take this into consideration.
Oh yeah, I used em on intake and exhaust.

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#896569
New springs so not worried there
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#896575
sander288 wrote:New springs so not worried there
Well, be worried. See how things are in 1 or 2 thousand k's'
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#896582
Mmmmmm

Probably not worth it; given the stocks clips still in use and stock valve springs...

Might look at doing it in 12 months after the motor is settled and I've had a chance to really open it up on the track

Cheers

Shaun
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#896681
sander288 wrote:Mmmmmm

Probably not worth it; given the stocks clips still in use and stock valve springs...

Might look at doing it in 12 months after the motor is settled and I've had a chance to really open it up on the track

Cheers

Shaun
Good move. Get rid of the stock clips, and shim up with a bolt together shaft kit and preferebly swivel feet adjusters at the same time. If your doing up the heads now, the adjusters should go in now while the valve tips are all fresh.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#896683
Just leave it as is Shaun....and just start collecting parts to build a 'real' race 1300 😉


HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#896702
^Probably the best move^
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