What exhaust? Side winder or high mount

aintgotitmusthaveit Officially Full-On Dubber

295 posts · joined Jun 2006 · 23 Nov 2010, 10:02 pm

#814057

Guys I am after an exhaust for my soon to be finished supercharged 1916.

I need something that does not stick too far aft else I wont make it up my drive way without scraping up the header at the 5 oclock bolt hole position.

Q. Does the A1 Side winder shown here
https://www.classicveedub.com.au/cvd_new/part_detail.aspx?parts_id=16618

stick out less aft than the merge system shown here:

https://www.classicveedub.com.au/cvd_new/part_detail.aspx?parts_id=16613

If anyone has pictures of their installs of the side winder please share!
I am after how far aft the lowest point on the exhaust stick past the rear engine tinware.

Also which of the two is quieter?

Gracey Wolfsburg Wizard

511 posts · joined Feb 2003 · 23 Nov 2010, 10:39 pm

#814064

Personally I'd pick the sidewinder for 2 reasons:

1. It should have better clearance.

2. It has better performance potential as essentially it's a merged header mounted sideways and as your putting this on a supercharged 1916 you don't want to restrict it.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 24 Nov 2010, 5:45 am

#814073

the sidwinder is fully merged and correct in firing order and would perform better

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 24 Nov 2010, 6:46 am

#814078

Hi

Are the ones form Classic genuine A1 side winders?

Steve

cesiumfrog Seriously Crusin Dubber

161 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 24 Nov 2010, 7:33 am

#814080

can't be genuine A1 for that price!
the sidewinder type will give more clearance for turning up a steep drive.

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 24 Nov 2010, 9:09 am

#814090

I have the classic sidewinder, and its perfect for ground clearance.................and its identical to the A1 systems.

66brm Seriously Crusin Dubber

140 posts · joined Nov 2009 · 24 Nov 2010, 5:40 pm

#814157

Except in quality......

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 24 Nov 2010, 6:09 pm

#814161

Hi

I have genuine A-1 sidewinder on my sons car, very impressed.

Steve

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 24 Nov 2010, 9:43 pm

#814194

66brm wrote:Except in quality......

pipe lengths are the same, flanges are the same, welds are the same quality, collector is the same length and has the same internal cone inside, and the slip joints are in the same place.............so what is the difference in the quality (apart from the stainless grade) ?

Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 · 16 Dec 2010, 1:00 pm

#817154

Anyone able to post some pics of a sidewinder installed on their engine ???

Interested to see the clearance around the oil pump and pulley... trying to figure if it will clear my CB dry sump pump or not.

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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 · 16 Dec 2010, 2:51 pm

#817169

Actually - going by these pics on samba looks like plenty of room in there.

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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 · 16 Dec 2010, 8:33 pm

#817192

I have on of the 304 stainless steel side winder rip of from george, excellently made and the tig welding is very good, only problem when i fitted the muffler was it hit on the rear caliper, a ford unit, simply cut the bend and retigged it, been on the car for three years with out a problem

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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 · 17 Dec 2010, 7:58 am

#817239

How quiet are these sidewinders, quieter than 2 x hotdogs? reason I have the hot dogs is for ground clearance but the sidewinder seems to be up higher than the bottom of the sump. How far do they project behind the pully?

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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 · 17 Dec 2010, 8:10 am

#817242

these type of exhaust is as close and compact as you can get and are a lot quiter that a straight though hot dog,

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Dec 2010, 9:47 pm

#817321

Hi

I put a set on my sons bug, I was running a filter pump, I couldn't get it work so I had to change pumps. The other thing that give me the shits is that I cant get the motor out with them on, so to remove the motor for a simple job the rear part of the system needs to be removed.

I've heard people say that they are very noisy, I'm running a 2 dozen can muffler I got from Westy, its reasonable.

I see on VW060 got rid of the "patented dust maker" good idea.

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4,674 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 18 Dec 2010, 6:25 am

#817338

donn wrote:How quiet are these sidewinders, quieter than 2 x hotdogs? reason I have the hot dogs is for ground clearance but the sidewinder seems to be up higher than the bottom of the sump. How far do they project behind the pully?

That has a deep sump on it, so the exhaust sits lower than the standard sump. Not good for a buggy

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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 · 18 Dec 2010, 6:31 am

#817340

I see that but my buggy isn't your normal buggy, it has a deep sump and is dropped d
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low but I do have a tow bar that, on closer inspection, may stop me fitting one of these systems, may need to take a trip to see George to check it out.

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8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 18 Dec 2010, 10:51 am

#817363

vwo60 wrote:I have on of the 304 stainless steel side winder rip of from george, excellently made and the tig welding is very good, only problem when i fitted the muffler was it hit on the rear caliper, a ford unit, simply cut the bend and retigged it, been on the car for three years with out a problem

The reason yours hit is because your using the muffler for the Kombi, not the one for a beetle. The Kombi muffler sits out towards the wheel more (about 30-40mm)

vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 · 18 Dec 2010, 2:38 pm

#817380

Not the case at all , the ford caliper is mounted a long way inboard, the exhaust is the correct one for the beetle

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8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 18 Dec 2010, 9:30 pm

#817415

The "beetle muffler" for the sidewinder exhaust has the inlet on the right and the outlet on the left (under the car). Your muffler has the inlet on the left and the outlet on the right (opposite) which puts the muffler out towards the wheel and brakes more. That muffler is designed for being used on a Kombi 👍

I had the same problem with mine on the ragtop.........until I realised I had the wrong muffler !

Have a look at the below muffler and compare it with yours.

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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 · 18 Dec 2010, 9:57 pm

#817420

It's not a side winder, it's one i got from george, if it was not for the brake caliper it would have gone straight on even with the eight inch rims.

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 18 Dec 2010, 10:16 pm

#817423

The style is called a 'sidewinder'. George's are an exact copy of the A1 system......trust me, I have both. The beetle muffler will clear ALL disc brake setups (including Ford, skyline, CB etc).

My 1st muffler was the same as yours, and it hit my rear calipers. I replaced it with the beetle muffler, and had no probs with clearance 😎

Below link was the 1st muffler I had, bought from george and being the same as yours.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=78206#pid727497

Anyway, yours is all soughted now.....so all is good !