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Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#822923
I have pulled my engine out to try to locate the source of a strange whine which has been occuring when I take my foot off the accelerator. I noticed what appears to be a fine crack underneath the throw out bearing. I have noticed on a spare box I have marks in exactly the same place and I was kind of hoping someone will tell me everything is ok thats normal 😂

EDIT: With the resizing to get the image to upload the area gets hard to see but it is squarish and travels through that area that looks like gear oil is weeping out.

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Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#822934
vw54 wrote:I think u will find its in the thrust beqring
The whining noise you mean?

RISKY4LIFE Officially Full-On Dubber

308 posts · joined Jul 2010 ·

#822963
mmm whine in a bearing thats not where i get my wine from 😁

vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#822980
if it occurs when you lift of the throttle it's not the throw out bearing, it should not be spinning until you depress the clutch, it could be in your box

Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#822987
Yeah it is more when I lift off the throttle as I experimented with keeping the revs up while depressing the clutch and it didnt seem to happen then. I guess that means trying out the other box.

Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#823065
The couple of throwout bearings I've had go it's more of a squeal than a whine... similar volume to disk brake squeal, but a bit lower pitch.

Bit late now that the engine is already out, but some tests to possibly try and narrow it down:

1. Sitting stationary... rev in Neutral and let foot off... does it whine ???
2. Sitting stationary... in gear but clutch in... rev it and let your foot off... does it whine ???
3. Car moving, put into neutral... rev it and then let foot off... does it whine ???
4. Car moving, accelerate and then let foot off... keeping it in gear and the clutch out... does it whine ???
5. Car moving, put into neutral and switch off engine... does it whine ???

If it whines for test 1, I'd be thinking maybe the bearing in the gland nut.
If it whines for test 2, throw out bearing.
If it whines for test 3 or 4, box or diff maybe.
If it whines for test 5, I'd be thinking brakes or maybe tyres rubbing or something.
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Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#823083
Thanks Sides I will try those out. I thought of a possibility as well, when I put the cluch back in I eye balled it could this be causing the whine/squeal? just to be safe I will loosen the clutch off and realign it on the engine.

clinker42 Officially Full-On Dubber

381 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#823144
Just spin that thrust bearing by hand and you will know if its stuffed. Besides that, put a new one in anyway, and a new clutch and presure plate.

While you have it apart like that, its easy to replace the consumables.

Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#823238
Also back to my origional question (which I forgot to ask) is there a square casting mark that travels under the thrust bearing or are both my boxes cracked. I will try to upload the photo elsewhere to explain what I mean.

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#823318
looks like a casting flash.

From a engineering point of view I doubt the box would ever crack like that as the loading on them
does not make any logical sense to cause a crack in that pattern.

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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#823324
yes that square pattern is normal in the casting

Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#823401
Thanks thats what I was hoping to hear.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#823452
Arpspasm wrote:I have pulled my engine out to try to locate the source of a strange whine which has been occuring when I take my foot off the accelerator. I noticed what appears to be a fine crack underneath the throw out bearing. I have noticed on a spare box I have marks in exactly the same place and I was kind of hoping someone will tell me everything is ok thats normal 😂

EDIT: With the resizing to get the image to upload the area gets hard to see but it is squarish and travels through that area that looks like gear oil is weeping out.

HI
it certainly looks like a crack to Me.... but if its on other gearboxes maybe casting marks...??
You can smell gear oil... its a terrible smell...

If it whines when You take Your foot off the accelerator...
still in gear.... clutch throwout bearing etc is not being used...

I would guess something in the gearbox.../diff..

I recommend a bottle of MolyBond or Promar gearbox additive
into the gearbox oil... fresh gearbox oil...
You will see any metal bits on the magnetic gearbox drainplug

make sure You undo the fill plug first [on the gearbox] otherwise You could end up with an oil less gearbox/ transaxle..

do You know how old the gearbox oil is??
and if its filled?? to the filler plug..??

cheers

LEE


Photo shows up fine... LEE
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Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#823464
68AutoBug wrote:it certainly looks like a crack to Me.... but if its on other gearboxes maybe casting marks...??
You can smell gear oil... its a terrible smell...

If it whines when You take Your foot off the accelerator...
still in gear.... clutch throwout bearing etc is not being used...

I would guess something in the gearbox.../diff..

I recommend a bottle of MolyBond or Promar gearbox additive
into the gearbox oil... fresh gearbox oil...
You will see any metal bits on the magnetic gearbox drainplug

make sure You undo the fill plug first [on the gearbox] otherwise You could end up with an oil less gearbox/ transaxle..

do You know how old the gearbox oil is??
and if its filled?? to the filler plug..??

cheers

LEE

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Photo shows up fine... LEE
The super is a 71 so the gear box may or may not be 40 I have just changed the very thick black gear oil (up to the filler port.) I haven't smelt the sulpher smell. There was a few smallish metal flakes on the magnetic plug but nothing too bad. I have ordered a new throw out bearing just to be safe. Is the a seal behind it that I should be replacing at the same time?

vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#823465
if you clean the area up with thinner's and a paint brush paying attention to the crack, you could fill it with oil and see if you get any seeping from the area, or you could invest in some dye penitrene and check to determine if it is a crack or not, looks like a crack to me.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#823533
hellbugged wrote:yes that square pattern is normal in the casting
As Daimo said, it is not a crack, just casting flash.
Wont hurt to replace the seal.
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Arpspasm Seriously Crusin Dubber

112 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#823577
Thanks all, Mat Berry diagnosed from the description that the whineing noise was a loose intake manifold. (and I thought I had torqued all the bolts up correctly 🥲 )

Lucky Phil Wolfsburg Wizard

480 posts · joined Aug 2010 ·

#823771
This is a really tough call
I had a good look at a gearbox today and it had casting marks in that same spot.
However, they were straight, clean and dry.
Yours, in comparison are all over the place and look busted. What I really don't like is the bit that looks like a crack radiating away from the bottom right hand corner. It looks traumatised to me.
If it was mine I would give it a really good cleanup and let it sit for a few weeks to see if it weeps. Any sign of wet and it's out of there.
Otherwise,Seeing you have solved the whine, Just chuck it back together and drive it.