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Space Shuttle Discovery - FINAL MISSION- Blasts off on THURS 24th

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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#827480
The final flight by the space shuttle Discovery is due to blast off on THURSDAY the 24th February USA Time..

STS 133 .. the 133rd space shuttle mission...

The Space Shuttles Endeavour and Atlantis are both due to visit the space station later in the year....

LEE
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#827486
😢......so which country will be the next to dominate space ???


68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

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#827492
Russian Rockets will be used after the space shuttles until the New US Rockets are ready to take over....

looks like the Shuttles are going the way of the Concorde....

No More???


LEE
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#827504
Craig Torrens wrote:😢......so which country will be the next to dominate space ???
North Korea muwaahaahahah
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

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#827584
h wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:😢......so which country will be the next to dominate space ???
North Korea muwaahaahahah
Interestingly...

North Korea can be seen easily from the space station when its in the correct location...

Because.... at night...
there are NO LIGHTS....

North Korea has an electrical power shortage problem...

they spent all their money on Army tanks etc.... lol

LEE

that is True.... [not sure about the army tanks..lol]
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Phil74Camper Head in the Clouds

2,703 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#827601
Yes it seems a shame, but the space shuttle is already well over 30 years old. The Enterprise (glider test vehicle) was built in 1974 and was launched from a 747 to a landing in 1977. The Columbia, the first operational shuttle, flew in 1981. I remember the excitement of that launch like it was yesterday! It was piloted by John Young, one of the great astronauts who flew on Gemini and went to the moon on Apollo 10 and 16.

They built five space-worthy shuttles:

Columbia - first launch 1981, flew 27 missions, destroyed during re-entry in 2003. The first Australian in space, Paul Scully Power, flew on Columbia in 1984. While in space he broadcast Slim Dusty's Pub With No Beer (Slim Dusty recorded on the EMI Columbia label)

Challenger - first launch 1983, flew 9 missions, destroyed during launch in 1986. Challenger took the first US woman in space, Sally Ride, in 1983.

Discovery - first launch 1984, has flown 38 flights so far, last flight scheduled for 24th February 2011. She is the oldest operating shuttle and has flown the most missions of the five. Discovery launched the Hubble telescope in 1990.

Atlantis - first launch 1985, has flown 32 flights so far, last flight scheduled for 28 June 2011. Launched the Magellan probe to Venus and the Gallileo probe to Jupiter in 1989. First shuttle to dock with Mir, in 1995. Will be the last space shuttle to fly.

Endeavour - first launch 1992, has flown 24 flights so far, last flight scheduled for 19 April 2011. Built from spare parts to replace Challenger. Has different software and hardware than the other three. Flew the successful Hubble repair mission in 1992. Been the main International Space Station construction and support shuttle.

Discovery will be the first shuttle to be retired, after its mission this week. It has already been assigned to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, and will join the Enterprise test shuttle on display at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy display centre at Washington airport (together with many other fabulous aeroplanes)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center

The fates of the other two shuttles have not yet been decided; more than 20 organizations are currently bidding on them. It will cost around $30 million for a museum to secure and transport a shuttle, in addition to building hangars and the on-going maintenance. NASA is, however, going to donate thermal tiles from the shuttle to high schools and colleges on a first-ask first-get basis - around 7,000 are available.

President Obama cancelled the Constellation project (including the Ares rockets and the Orion command module) in 2010, so a US replacement for the shuttle is some way off. Private consortiums are planning to use the Falcon 9 and Dragon space vehicles to supply the ISS; some are even proposing to buy the retired shuttles and fly them until 2017! In the meantime, Russian Soyuz vehicles will be used.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

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#827621
well the Aries rockets were to replace the shuttles.....

back to the Russians.....

the japanese may make a hatchback version of the space shuttle... 😂😂😂

Interesting stuff Phil...

Lee
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Snap Crackle Bang Seriously Crusin Dubber

146 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·

#827735
If you want to learn more about the space shuttle there is a series of lectures from a 2005 MIT course available free on I tunes. Most of these are presented by the people that actually did the design work or flew on missions. It is amazing to find out how much "back of the envelope" stuff went into the design, and how a few poor decisions (which seemed logical at the time) compromised the whole thing.

Originally it was forecast to cost $14 million per launch. The former mission control boss said the last mission before he retired cost $640 million.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

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#827800
30 million dollars to buy a used Space Shuttle... ??

a bit expensive for something that cannot be used again.... lol

Concorde was never replaced..

space shuttles won't be either...

scares Me when You see the guesswork that went into getting Men into space and back again...

have seen great documentary shows on Discovery or History channels...
when those mission control blokes look so happy when the craft or men returned to earth...
they were happy....
there was a BIG chance that they wouldn't return...

LEE

and the electrical stuff used back in the 60's... YIKES....
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58camper Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#827836
Best man made display and day visit I have ever done across the world was a visit to Cape Carnaveral back in 2008. The scale of things was enormous, you could see where the costs went. The crawler-transporter that moved the rockets and shuttle out to the launch pad was staggering at over 40metres long. It travels the 5.6km from the storage shed to launch pad at 1.6 kph loaded so it is a 3 hour trip.
Get yourself there before it closes down.
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2,125 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#827861
68AutoBug wrote:30 million dollars to buy a used Space Shuttle... ??

a bit expensive for something that cannot be used again.... lol
That's seems pretty cheap if you ask me.



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jjwebb123 Wolfsburg Wizard

617 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·

#827887
wow,some good info there people.👍
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Phil74Camper Head in the Clouds

2,703 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#828143
Agreed, $30 million to secure a space shuttle for your museum is a bargain. Remember that a space shuttle is the size of a Boeing 737 - how would you get it there? (on the back of a 747). And where would you store it? (in a purpose-built display building). The costs would mount spectacularly. Hasn't hurt the demand, as there's only two more available.

Does anyone remember the late 1980s when the Russian space shuttle, the Buran, was on display at Darling Harbour in Sydney? It was eventually returned to the USSR and was later destroyed when the building it was stored in collapsed.

Lee I'm not sure what 'guesswork' you are referring too - probably nothing has been ever calculated as accurately as a space mission and its hardware. The space shuttle is the most complicated piece of machinery ever built and every part has to work perfectly.

As for space flight - think about the accuracy of the Apollo CM arriving at exactly the right spot in lunar orbit, 150 km above the surface, after travelling 350,000 km to get there. Not too high, or too low - just right. Even the crippled Apollo 13 got it right. If you allow say a +/- 5 km margin of error either way at that distance, that's like hitting a 20c coin with a rifle at a distance of 980 m ! But even that's nothing. The Voyager probe's trajectory accuracy to Neptune (2,650,000,000 km) was also spot on, it arrived exactly where it was planned after a 12-year coast. With the same +/- 5 km, that's like hitting a 20c coin at a distance of 74,200 km ! And remember it got there via gravitational slings from Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus - each one worked out precisely in advance.

The Apollo project was probably the greatest triumph in pure engineering in history. The space shuttle was a great idea but sadly never reached its full potential. Yes the Concorde will probably never be replaced, not for engineering reasons, but for financial ones. The development and production costs of a new supersonic airliner could never be recouped. Even the Concorde took years to pay itself off and would never have done so without hefty investments from the British and French governments. The Russians could never get their T144s to work.

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

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#828168
I went to Cape Carnaveral in 1998 we went to see a launch only to get there and find it had been cancelled due to technical problems I

t did fly the next day however there were too many things to see and do at Disneyworld

After the cancellation we spent the day and night doing the tour very impressed and worth the money
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

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Phil

I am really referring to the capsules back in the 60s...
and 70s...
and the problems they had... but usually fixed...

it was very dangerous back then....

and as We have seen, it can also be Very dangerous in a space shuttle

I didn't realise that the space shuttles were so big....

cheers

LEE
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

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#828186
vw54 wrote:I went to Cape Carnaveral in 1998 we went to see a launch only to get there and find it had been cancelled due to technical problems I

t did fly the next day however there were too many things to see and do at Disneyworld

After the cancellation we spent the day and night doing the tour very impressed and worth the money
Agree on that one Dave; the Cape is a must visit if in Florida I went there back in 1997 I was only 9 years old and it was awesome; I didn't think as good as disney though!
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