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Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#830909
As a newbie to this sort of thing but saw some cars like this whilst visiting Nambucca last year. Looking for something to do and saw this one on a British site and wondered if anything like this was floating around NSW.

The site where I found the info is http://www.vwtype3and4club.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=4720

Also, how easy is it to get parts for old cars like this?

Rusty

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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#830912
That's a Type 3 Wagon... or what most of us call a "Squareback" or just "Square".

It's a mid life one... I'm not a Type 3 expert, but I'd be guessing around 66 or 67.

There are a few of 'em around in Australia, but definitely not as many as Beetles. They come up for sale pretty often both here and on e-bay.

Getting parts for 'em is pretty simple really... especially the mechanical stuff where they have a fair bit in common with Beetles.
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#830916
there are a few floating around for sale frequently. best bet is to put up a post in the for sale section of this forum also have a browse back through that section and you might find one that hasnt been snapped up
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Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#831014
Sides wrote:That's a Type 3 Wagon... or what most of us call a "Squareback" or just "Square".

It's a mid life one... I'm not a Type 3 expert, but I'd be guessing around 66 or 67.

There are a few of 'em around in Australia, but definitely not as many as Beetles. They come up for sale pretty often both here and on e-bay.

Getting parts for 'em is pretty simple really... especially the mechanical stuff where they have a fair bit in common with Beetles.
Thanks for that. Looks like it is a 1965 model from the info on the UK site. Looks different inside to the few I have spotted around at the couple of events I've briefly visited last year.

What about the sedan body? Any idea if there are any around and what $$$$ would one be worth if it was in a fixable condition. They look much more interesting than a Bug of any year.

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bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#831038
Heres some 'yum' factor:

theres a few for sale on carsales.com.au...
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294962746+4294966306&keywords=&tsrc=allcarhome&Nne=15

particularly this very tidy example for $15k.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=9766852&keywords=&trecs=5&__sid=12EC341FEE0B&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&seot=1&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746%204294966306&silo=1011

or $20k for this baby:
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=3&R=9199884&keywords=&trecs=5&__sid=12EC341FEE0B&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&seot=1&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746%204294966306&silo=1011
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Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#831110
zocstar wrote:How much have you got to spend? The earlys are a bit harder to find IMO.
Go to the sale section And call a few guys. Happy hunting.
Check out the 66 fastback or
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=88568
Amount to spend isn't the issue! It's whether there is a model like this to work on. Have looked at the later ones with the longer front area and they do nothing for the interest. The earlier models look great and as the photos on the UK indicate, there seems to be more shiny bits around the outside and nicer trim on the inside to the ones here for sale.

There must be some of these ones here in Australia surely or have they all gone to the scrapyard.

Rusty

cruiser Seriously Crusin Dubber

193 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#831504
There are plenty of early body type 3's around (62-69). Like others said there are heaps of smaller components in common with the beetles/kombis. Theye basically the same 1600 engine with the external pieces re arranged to make the motor flat so that it fit's under the lid to make boot space or flat cargo area in the wagons.
Body parts, bumpers and trims are all unique to type 3's and not available to buy as new parts so you just need to be patient and keep on looking. It's all out there.

You can buy all the interior carpets, seat covers, handles, interior knobs and most engine parts easily and cheap too given the Aussie exchange now.

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617 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·

#831605
nice pic at top there.😵
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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#831613
I prefer the early models too, but there's them that prefer late ones also... each to their own I guess,

As to "more interesting than a beetle", well.... that's an age old argument really.

Far as I know the UK and Aus ones would be virtually identical as far as chrome trim etc... possibly that our models would be 1 or 2 years behind in getting updates is about the only diff I think.
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Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#831764
Sides wrote:I prefer the early models too, but there's them that prefer late ones also... each to their own I guess,

As to "more interesting than a beetle", well.... that's an age old argument really.

Far as I know the UK and Aus ones would be virtually identical as far as chrome trim etc... possibly that our models would be 1 or 2 years behind in getting updates is about the only diff I think.
After much searching, it looks like the model I want is a German import 1964-65. Maybe there just isn't any left here! Looking at the UK site again I find that the rear view of the car has Volkswagen Variant S on it. The ones generally in the UK would be these although the one there was imported back to the UK a couple of years ago according to the writings. The ones made here do look a little lean on the trim areas compared to this one.

Anyone know if there is a real live one here around NSW to have a look at?

The cutaway from elsewhere on here indicates there was a sedan as well with the same inside and outside trim.

Rusty

(edit for correct script on tailgate )

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robb Officially Full-On Dubber

279 posts · joined Apr 2010 ·

#831782
why dont you come along to the vw nationals may 22 at fairfield youll probably see what your looking for and a whole lot more

VW-VARIANT-L Seriously Crusin Dubber

154 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#831810
Old Rusty_VW wrote:
Sides wrote:I prefer the early models too, but there's them that prefer late ones also... each to their own I guess,

As to "more interesting than a beetle", well.... that's an age old argument really.

Far as I know the UK and Aus ones would be virtually identical as far as chrome trim etc... possibly that our models would be 1 or 2 years behind in getting updates is about the only diff I think.
After much searching, it looks like the model I want is a German import 1964-65. Maybe there just isn't any left here! Looking at the UK site again I find that the rear view of the car has 1500S Variant on it. The ones generally in the UK would be these although the one there was imported back to the UK a couple of years ago according to the writings. The ones made here do look a little lean on the trim areas compared to this one.

Anyone know if there is a real live one here around NSW to have a look at?

The cutaway from elsewhere on here indicates there was a sedan as well with the same inside and outside trim.

Rusty
The UK vs Australian type 3's from 64 to 68 are completely different in regard to trim specifications.

Australia was making its own type 3's by 1964 so there was no need to fully import the German spec ones, which is why there are only a handful of German imports around. There is a blue 65 1500S in NSW owned by "1500S" on here.

That cut-away picture is from a German 1964/5 model, the sedans and squarebacks had similar specifications.

Good luck finding an original German import, you'll need it

Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#833565
Done a fair bit of searching with nothing positive on one of these either in the sedan or Variant. Looks like they must be in the rarest models category in Australia or am I reading things wrong. 🙁

Rusty

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213 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#843925
Hey Rusty, You say money's not a problem and you are around Sydney area, why exactly would you not happy with the black one on carpoint? It's exactly what you are after.

It's got more rare Type 3 accessories than any I've ever heard of being up for sale previously. According to the current owner it's fully imported (Variant badge on the back is a good clue they're right)

And as far as all that hard to get stuff that Aussie type 3s missed out on (such as the 'S' trim), it's all available on websites such as thesamba.com. You'd be hard pressed to find 2 better examples than those squarebacks on carsales at the moment.

Genuine salt & pepper interiors in that condition are almost non existent! Who needs 'S' trims when the originals are so good?

Just my 2 cents worth.

Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#843952
DOKA Dave wrote:Hey Rusty, You say money's not a problem and you are around Sydney area, why exactly would you not happy with the black one on carpoint? It's exactly what you are after.

It's got more rare Type 3 accessories than any I've ever heard of being up for sale previously. According to the current owner it's fully imported (Variant badge on the back is a good clue they're right)

And as far as all that hard to get stuff that Aussie type 3s missed out on (such as the 'S' trim), it's all available on websites such as thesamba.com. You'd be hard pressed to find 2 better examples than those squarebacks on carsales at the moment.

Genuine salt & pepper interiors in that condition are almost non existent! Who needs 'S' trims when the originals are so good?

Just my 2 cents worth.
Not exactly what I want. What I want is either a 1500S Variant or a 1500S Sedan of the imported variety 1964-1965. For 20 grand I'd may as well get a real one from the UK.

Very doubtful if that black one is imported. Just a collection of accessories that's found a car to get displayed on.

Rusty

Sunset Garage Officially Full-On Dubber

213 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#843955
Well good luck in your search. The only real difference is the door trims, front bonnet trim and 'S' badges on the rear. It's a lot of hassle to track down an original 'S' and prove it's providence. Just buy a regular Aussie model with as little rust as you can find, and then get the 'S' parts to put on it, heaps cheaper!

Look in the cars for sale & empi (usename) is selling a 65 notch in Melbourne with the 'S' badges already on it. Not sure whether it has the doortrims but they're not too hard to track down.

Cheers, Dave

Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#844021
DOKA Dave wrote:Well good luck in your search. The only real difference is the door trims, front bonnet trim and 'S' badges on the rear.

Cheers, Dave
Thanks for the info on the differences but in the end it all depends on who you talk to!

Added to the differences above, from a good source in the UK as well as reading other posts here, you have to add, especially the sedan:

Totally different steering column
armrest in centre of contoured rear seat backrest
maybe pushbutton light switch
different side moulding strips
overriders on bumpers
opening rear quarter windows
cable operated front seat backrest locks
side marker lights
different front indicators
different rear reflectors

Maybe just too much to look for here in OZ to even make a look-a-like S model from a standard OZ production car.

Rusty

Sunset Garage Officially Full-On Dubber

213 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#844028
You are confusing some 'S' parts with regular type 3 parts over the different years of Type 3 production.

I've tried to break it down in a PM sent to you so check there. So as not to confuse you any further, I refer to 'early' as 61-64 and 'late as 65-69. I know 70 is the first 'official' year of late type 3's but they are a different car for a different enthusiast. (someone else mentioned the first year of "donor" Type 3's😂 great cars, but similar to early and late bay Kombi's in the different crowd they attract)

Cheers, Dave

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154 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#844039
Old Rusty_VW wrote:
DOKA Dave wrote:Well good luck in your search. The only real difference is the door trims, front bonnet trim and 'S' badges on the rear.

Cheers, Dave
Thanks for the info on the differences but in the end it all depends on who you talk to!

Added to the differences above, from a good source in the UK as well as reading other posts here, you have to add, especially the sedan:

Totally different steering column
armrest in centre of contoured rear seat backrest
maybe pushbutton light switch
different side moulding strips
overriders on bumpers
opening rear quarter windows
cable operated front seat backrest locks
side marker lights
different front indicators
different rear reflectors

Maybe just too much to look for here in OZ to even make a look-a-like S model from a standard OZ production car.

Rusty
That's actually a pretty good summary of the differences between the European and Aussie S models.
I have an Australian built 65 1500S, which is basically the N model with side chrome, 2 tone interior panels and paint, upholstery options, S badge and the twin carb engine.
The "S" parts listed above were used on Euro 64 1500 S models and not on the Australian cars, but were also already being used on earlier cars (except the different front and rear lenses, side trim). Also Australia used vinyl instead of cloth trim for the salt & pepper, but most of our 1500S don't have salt & pepper which was used for the N model.

As said before, there are only a handful of non-Aussie 1500S cars in Australia, probably less than 5 on the road.

If you want the extra trim, then import from the UK or be very patient finding a car locally.

(That accessorised Black squareback is an Aussie car BTW).

Cheers, Pat

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528 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#844049
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213 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#844050
Hey Pat, glad you can clear up the providence of the black square. There have been other posts about it & no-one seemed to know anything about where it originally came from.

The point I was (unsuccessfully obviously) trying to make is that most of the 'S' parts needed to transform an 'N' are readily available on other models here in Australia. The later 'L' (68-69) has all the exterior blinkers, reflectors, side lights. All Type 3's up to 64 had push button headlight switches that's not even unique to an 'S'. Pop out side windows for notches were not a standard 'S' option, but an option available on all type 3's and later standard fitment on Australian CKD squarebacks. Full over-riders were common on US spec, non 'S' models as well, and the bumper uprights were available on Australian Type 3's as standard after 65.

The 'S' badging, front narrow moustache, and door trims are the only parts unique to the 'S'. most other parts became standard fitment on subsequent models or were available as an optional extra. I had a one owner (before me), completely original , Australian delivered, 64 'N' model with dual carbs on single port heads and a fold down armrest in the back seat from the factory. These are apparently 'S' parts only, according to the English Type 3 'Experts'....

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213 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#844052
Oh yeah, It had an original tripmeter speedo as well. Here's some crappy pics of photo's of my Australian delivered 'N' notch (with some factory fitted 'S' parts) next to a neighbour's Birch Green 65. I found out a few years ago the 65 ended up in the UK, surprise surprise....

Hey Hutch, seriously cool looking notch you have there. i'd be interested in the old Fuchs if you still have them & want to sell.

Cheers, Dave

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Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

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#844054
DOKA Dave wrote:Hey Pat, glad you can clear up the providence of the black square. There have been other posts about it & no-one seemed to know anything about where it originally came from.

The point I was (unsuccessfully obviously) trying to make is that most of the 'S' parts needed to transform an 'N' are readily available on other models here in Australia. The later 'L' (68-69) has all the exterior blinkers, reflectors, side lights. All Type 3's up to 64 had push button headlight switches that's not even unique to an 'S'. Pop out side windows for notches were not a standard 'S' option, but an option available on all type 3's and later standard fitment on Australian CKD squarebacks. Full over-riders were common on US spec, non 'S' models as well, and the uprights were available on Australian Type 3's as standard after 65.

The 'S' badging, front narrow moustache, and door trims are the only parts unique to the 'S'. most other parts became standard fitment on subsequent models or were available as an optional extra. I had a one owner (before me), completely original , Australian delivered, 64 'N' model with dual carbs on single port heads and a fold down armrest in the back seat from the factory. These are apparently 'S' parts only, according to the English Type 3 'Experts'....
No PM from you re the differences to clear my cluttered mind!

Popouts were standard on the 1500S (German built) sedan as were the twin carbs on the single port heads on both German build and Australian build. Twin port heads weren't around 'til long after the 1500S was replaced by the 1600 Fastback model. I can also see from other posts on here that the side trim is unique to the German build 1500S as it is radiused on the end to match the side parking light. They are also made from aluminium and prone to damage by the sound of it.

Hucho, that's one nice looking car!

Rusty

Sunset Garage Officially Full-On Dubber

213 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#844055
Hey Rusty, I can't write it all out again, it took me over an hour! We can debate this forever... Bottom line, it can be done with an Aussie car no probs. You're better off starting with a nice solid 'N' from here than an English rotbox. I can help you source parts if you need help. I think I still have some 'S' number plate light housings for a notch tucked away in a garage in Canberra, along with some other VW bits from 15 years ago. It's yours for free if you go ahead with it.

Why do so many PM's not get through on this forum?????

Hutcho Wolfsburg Wizard

528 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#844067
Rusty, my strong advice is to listen to Dave if you are genuinely after a decent Type 3.
As Dave said, find a local Type 3 and add on any bits from models around the world from there and make it your own.
If you don't take up Daves very generous offer, I'll contact him and will grab his stash of parts quicker than you can say Notchback.

Dave, unfortunately I sold the Fuchs a while back. The car above is Hildons old car. I'd be interested to know what VW bits from 15 years ago you have.

Cheers,
Steve

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#845959
VW-VARIANT-L wrote:
Old Rusty_VW wrote:
Sides wrote:I prefer the early models too, but there's them that prefer late ones also... each to their own I guess,

As to "more interesting than a beetle", well.... that's an age old argument really.

Far as I know the UK and Aus ones would be virtually identical as far as chrome trim etc... possibly that our models would be 1 or 2 years behind in getting updates is about the only diff I think.
After much searching, it looks like the model I want is a German import 1964-65. Maybe there just isn't any left here! Looking at the UK site again I find that the rear view of the car has 1500S Variant on it. The ones generally in the UK would be these although the one there was imported back to the UK a couple of years ago according to the writings. The ones made here do look a little lean on the trim areas compared to this one.

Anyone know if there is a real live one here around NSW to have a look at?

The cutaway from elsewhere on here indicates there was a sedan as well with the same inside and outside trim.

Rusty
The UK vs Australian type 3's from 64 to 68 are completely different in regard to trim specifications.

Australia was making its own type 3's by 1964 so there was no need to fully import the German spec ones, which is why there are only a handful of German imports around. There is a blue 65 1500S in NSW owned by "1500S" on here.

That cut-away picture is from a German 1964/5 model, the sedans and squarebacks had similar specifications.

Good luck finding an original German import, you'll need it
Driving along Pennant Hills Road last Thursday I sighted a nice old VW Variant (see below pic) and it jogged the memory to have sniff here after a long break due to other interests. When I see someone searching for a particular model Type 3 I tend to take a bit of notice when it turns out to be a 1500S.

Other than the Sea Blue one which was on ebay a couple of years ago which incidently was too rusty to do much with and it is now in bits in Adelaide none have surfaced. The only other one was on a farm somewhere outside Young, NSW (see some pics) . That was around 1998 and was owned by some fellow called Marco who was at Nicks Fyshwick VW in those days. Is it still around? Who knows.

Without going through all of the posts and nitpicking on points of correctness this is how I see it.

What is a 1500S? As someone said, the 1500S was only an upmarket model of the 1500. The 1500 wasn't bad for interior stuff with 4 piece door trims, 3 piece rear quarters, wrap around dash. Exterior had the side parkers and bumper overriders but little else in the shiny bit department. The rear quarters were popouts on all 1500 sedans with a couple of changes on sealing to the body.

1964 (well August 1963) saw the release of the 1500S with a few more bright bits on the outside: bonnet trim, wide front indicators, long reflectors, the S badge on numberplate light, extended tail light lenses and waste line trim. The side parkers were lowered to this line.

The inside retained the door and quarter trims and wrap around dash and added a centre armrest to the rear seat back on the sedan. All 1500S vehicles had popout rear quarter windows.

The standard engine was the 1500 8.5:1 CR twin carb engine with the 7.8:1 M249 option for dud petrol.

1965 (August 1964) , the Australian Twin S was released. This was basically our 1500N with twin carbs. There was a choice of 3 colours in the new seat covering material for that year and a white turret. None of that 1500S trim was on the Twin S.

NOW. Did the Twin S have popout rear quarters from the factory? Unlikely even as a special order. The holes were in the B pillar but no hinges. Note that these would have to have been in there when the pillar is assembled and even at dealer level, how many owners would have liked anything cut to add them. Likewise, there were no latch nuts in the C pillar.

Was there an 8.5:1 CR engine fitted at the factory? Another unlikely although there would have been spares from the 1500S by this time. Most likely begged by the owner at dealer level but was discouraged due to heat problems here in Australia.

Was there any Twin S cars with S & P seat trim. Most likely not from the factory but hard to tell as carbs were available to change a standard 1964 0r 1965 1500N to engine specs of the Twin S. Have they been seen? Yes. Two of them were around Blacktown. I owned one of them and Russel Gabriel from Seven Hills had the other one. Plenty were being changed to get rid of that horrible single carb plus the bolt on boost in power was handy.

Now Old Rusty, the crunch line. I hope you find your dream. It's a pity that Variant escaped from Australia but at least it gave you a search option. If that one at Young is still there it would hopefully be in a condition for restoration. Other than that, I can't help with a lead. Otherwise, you will be down to finding a good 1500N as suggested elsewhere and spending time to convert it to 1500S specs which of course is getting harder, especially the interior. There just isn't much around now.

Just for reference, how many 1500S sedans are left in Australia? Someone said maybe five. Reality has it less. There are two known in running condition, one in Adelaide and one here in Sydney area. The one here is the only one known to be still road registered.

What do they drive like? Like a bloody 47 year old VW 1500S with around 40,000 miles on the clock.

Good luck with the search and if you turn out to be in the Sydney area, you (or anyone else) are welcome to come and have a look at it or even have a drive! It's actually done 15km since Nambucca last year!

DH

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1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#845964
A couple more of 1500S at young plus an advert for a 1500 Twin S. The Twin S is pretty ordinary compared to the real one!!


Steve, looking nice!

DH

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Old Rusty_VW Casual Dubber

29 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#846729
Thanks for the update. Have been out of town for a while. Doesn't look good for a real one so will look at other options. Will be in contact soon.

Rusty

Sunset Garage Officially Full-On Dubber

213 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#846764
Hey 1500S

I know the white one well, I've seen it in person dozens of times before it went out to Young.

I remember where it came from, who owned it and what happened to the owner. From memory the car was very good with no rust or damage, it was also complete but the interior was rough. If the owner you mentioned still has the car, I doubt he will part with it. but I imagine it has long since vanished, along with some of the other rarities this guy owned.

When I first saw it in the early nineties, the guy who had been holding onto it for years, also had two genuine splitty ambulances which were incredibly rare over here. But a lot of odd and rare VW stuff came out of this part of Oz. There is still a lot of good cars tucked away down there....