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bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849053
I feel alarmed and a bit pissed off...

fair enough, u buy cheap, u get cheap, but bought a new ebay alternator.

An old one i had, had a keyway for the drive pulley. This new alternator does not have a keyway machined into the front of the shaft for the pulley.

Was this the way the later vw's (eg. mexican) just operated?

If it was a stupid chinese sweat shop F*^k up is there a way i can make it work? the rest of the internals are good and solid, and its in working order (as it came with a test/output slip that appears genuine).

Thanks guys,
Chris.
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849060
hmm... anyone with a lathe that can do a quick zip on it for me for oem key fitment, without me having to disassemble?

maybe for a crown tallie :P or 2?
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69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#849064
You need more than a lathe mate, a mill and disassembly required...send it back.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849067
no worries, have sent an email and photos.

Hopefully they just ship another one.
Thanks Matt.
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69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#849078
lol, what has this world come to?

oh wait everything is made in china these days 🙄

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#849111
bajachris88 wrote:I feel alarmed and a bit pissed off...

fair enough, u buy cheap, u get cheap, but bought a new ebay alternator.

An old one i had, had a keyway for the drive pulley. This new alternator does not have a keyway machined into the front of the shaft for the pulley.

Was this the way the later vw's (eg. mexican) just operated?

Thanks guys,
Chris.

Hi Chris

I wouldn't be surprised if they made hundreds of those just the same....
they don't really know what they are making... lol
they just think copy copy copy... so long as it looks the same...

An alternator without a keyway.. is like having disc brakes without the pads... lol

the other problem i've seen lots of... is the pulleys that bolt onto the alternator go on too far and bolt up against the alternator housing.... lol

so, I see they sell shims to fix this problem in the USA...

the belt is also offset when this happens , so if the pulley goes on too far but doesn't bind, then the edges of the belt get worn off...

If they are going to copy making things they need to get a German made set of calipers... lol

the chinese ones aren't accurate enough... lol

LEE

- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849112
lol i rekon your on the money Lee.

fools 😂, and foolish of me buying lol. student wage doesn't really offer a variety though 🙂
I got german master cyinder and brake cylinders yay! lol.
and decent shocks (kyb/cofab), cofab tie rod ends, ball joints, kotto bearings and brazilian steering damper. Some german hi flow pump and filter too.

Hopefully teh car doesn't break all at once from cheapness with the other bits and bobs 😀

I rekon the urethane torsion bar bushes and engine cradle mounts will be the first things to go on the front and rear end when this gal's back on the road. Shame its gotta be that way. I will just have to keep an eye on it.
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#849114
Hi Chris,

The engine mounts may be OK for a while...

but the nolathane bushes in the rear torsion bars

are a problem unless You used rubber grease on them..

as the rubber bushes actually twist as the nolathane ones cannot
twist but turn on the shaft...
so some lubrication would be good.. IMHO

cheers

LEE

where are all the photos Chris..??

LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849132
lol, photo updates will be coming 🙂, thanks Lee.

i got a reply from the seller, was interesting! This is what they said:

"Hello, Please don't worry about it keway's are not used anymore only the old style Bosch units had it just install it everything would be fine."

I'm a bit sceptical, but we'll see how it goes :S
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#849134
Hi

I wouldn't use it without a key, it will slip for sure.

Steve

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#849142
bajachris88 wrote:"Hello, Please don't worry about it keway's are not used anymore only the old style Bosch units had it just install it everything would be fine."
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE....

and if you think it's ok to run without a key in the pulley.....would you be interested in purchasing some NOS chrome muffler bearings? These are of course suitable for single or dual mufflers.
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OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#849150
I'll have a set of those muffler bearings, Matt. Oh, are they STD or 1st under-size? Do you have any tappet clearances left - metric ones preferred.😏
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849165
Will trade em' for my cans of striped paint 😁
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69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849185
for all future reference,

the ebay seller was:

"CALTRIC"
with quiet a large rep and all that crap :S

It was from the states. I guess all i can do now is go shop for another one?
no return to caltric as they rekon she's alright 🤪, and thus there is no bounds in their mind for a refund (sigh)
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#849186
HappyDaze wrote:I'll have a set of those muffler bearings, Matt. Oh, are they STD or 1st under-size? Do you have any tappet clearances left - metric ones preferred.😏
Greg, I have any sizes you want.....the tappet clearances I keep are all metric, I hope they'll do......I'll just go and check for the sparkplug gaps, surely you'll need them too, I keep them with the long wait's..............I'll be back in a minute. 🙂
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#849191
bajachris88 wrote:lol, photo updates will be coming 🙂, thanks Lee.

i got a reply from the seller, was interesting! This is what they said:

"Hello, Please don't worry about it keway's are not used anymore only the old style Bosch units had it just install it everything would be fine."

I'm a bit sceptical but we'll see how it goes :S
I'm a bit sceptical about it coming from the states going by the crook grammar
I dream of a day when a chicken can cross a road without being asked for it's motive!

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,476 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#849194
id put up bad feed back and take it to the ebay dispute section. incorrect item supplied and mis advertised
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HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#849195
Sorry to butt in on your thread, Chris, but while I'm waiting for Matt, it may be a good time to ask if anyone has any spare REAR negative camber they don't need? It must be swing-axle neg., not that double-joint crap! I need about 2.5 degrees of it, and will gladly pay postage.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#849283
Chris, get a key way cut into your shaft, be the cheapest option from here. They aren't difficult to disassemble.

Greg, sorry dude, all out of negative camber, it's in high demand up here, as you know, things turn to crap when your rear end goes positive.
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OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE

1916baja Custom Title Time!

1,990 posts · joined Sep 2007 ·

#849284
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bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#849326
matberry wrote:Chris, get a key way cut into your shaft, be the cheapest option from here. They aren't difficult to disassemble.
No worries. Thanks Matt, will pull apart and take it to an engineering shop. Used to be one in springwood, will drop him a visit 🙂
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69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

Aussie Dubbin Fahrvergnugen

895 posts · joined Jul 2008 ·

#849369
Yeah pity to pull apart but if you can get i key cut problem solvered. You'll have to know what it end up costing you with price postage and re machining costs so we can see if its worth the cheaper price...
Cheers
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#849395
Thats why I buy everything nos or great cond 2nd now.
See 😁 Don't mind the fogginess of the light as there is an oily coating on the inside of the glass, reflector is 98.97% perfect!



this puppy cost me 188 euro landed and I still have to get a rhd lens for it lol 😂 another matching headlight on its way from the states yay!
ah the things I resort to because I hate bs Chinese parts that much.

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Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#849457
Can you take a picture of the shaft and alternator?
The ND Japan alternator that I use on my drag car uses no key at all,
as did the superchargers I used to run.
The adjacent bearing/spacer was used to clamp the face of the pulley's shoulder,
and only friction was required to drive.
All this means nothing if the shaft's bearing shoulder is only small, in which case a key way will be needed.
Lets hope it is not too hard a material to machine!
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#849487
HappyDaze wrote:Sorry to butt in on your thread, Chris, but while I'm waiting for Matt, it may be a good time to ask if anyone has any spare REAR negative camber they don't need? It must be swing-axle neg., not that double-joint crap! I need about 2.5 degrees of it, and will gladly pay postage.

I just threw out 3 degrees of negative camber....
I didn't think I'd ever need it any more...'
with IRS rear end..
I also have 2 degrees of front RH positive camber if any one needs it... lol

LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#849488
vlad01 wrote:Thats why I buy everything nos or great cond 2nd now.
See 😁 Don't mind the fogginess of the light as there is an oily coating on the inside of the glass, reflector is 98.97% perfect!



this puppy cost me 188 euro landed and I still have to get a rhd lens for it lol 😂 another matching headlight on its way from the states yay!
ah the things I resort to because I hate bs Chinese parts that much.
YIKES Vlad
way too much money...
Perfect glass and chromed rims are very cheap in Australia
and You can get the reflector rechromed for much less than 188 Euros...

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#849504
You shouldn't chrome reflectors, Lee......either silver or rhodium.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#849610
HappyDaze wrote:You shouldn't chrome reflectors, Lee......either silver or rhodium.
My Son had His 55 beetle headlamp reflectors chromed

excellent job...
but large thumb prints on the chrome...??

what sort of people work at these places??

XD falcons had the plastic reflectors panted silver... lol

chrome is much better than silver paint....

and chrome I believe is much tougher then silver or rhodium
You couldn' t touch them with Your fingers...
and if You did You couldn;t wipe the reflectors as they would tarnish very easily...

LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---