Ive been doing a bit of a search on the forum regarding extended sumps . Im building a 1916 motor for my '70 beetle and looking for some feedback in regards to the best extended sump,brand,features and capacity etc.
My beetle wont be lowered majorly and will be sporting a racked look.I just want to try and get some feedback as to whats a good quality item and not buy junk..hopefully your personal experiences will save me from making a uninfromed purchase..thanks in advance peoples!!😊
pobjoy anti surge sump hands down........
I have a cb performance small sump with a finer strainer in it..
they are great quality...
I would stay away form EMpI sumps...
as with most of their chinese copies... they will most probably leak....
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Thanks LEE..I was looking for something like the CB performance sump..Something that has increased oil capacity aswell..the Pobjoy unit no doubt is a good piece of gear but looks very limited in terms of increased oil capacity..thanks people 😊
68AutoBug wrote:I have a cb performance small sump with a finer strainer in it..
they are great quality...
Do you by any chance have a part number or how many "quarts" capacity the sump is..Damn american imperial measurements or is it us lazy metric people..😂😂 thanks Jason.
Hi
the larger CB Performance sumps are excellent as they also help to cool the oil down and all the oil doesn't go to one side when You go round a corner...
combined with a spin on oil filter.. is excellent for Your engine..
IMHO
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
what do you need heaps of extra capacity for? The Pobjoy sump adds 400ml to the capacity and you will NEVER loose pressure or pick-up whether going round corners or over bumps.
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we have a Berg sump on one of our beetle and now it holds 6 litres.😊
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car forums. where a lot of peoples good intentions end up taking a good old car off the road forever never ever to see the road again. 🥲
combined with a spin on oil filter.. is excellent for Your engine..
IMHO
LEE [/quote]
I was recommended the smallest of the CB Performance sumps by my engine builder Peter Debiasi plus a remote filter set up so I can service the motor myself using a generic falcon ryco filter. Heat disipation of the oil through volume and surface area is a reason for me to run a rather large sump. Thanks people for your imput.
I have empi deep sumps on both of my cars and neither one leaks, one is two years old and the other is five years old.
Hi
I have a Gene Berg sump on my sons bug, it cops a hiding on speed humps etc. I really like the the special Berg attaching nuts, I'm not sure if other sumps use this nut system but they work great.
Steve
If you building the enginer fron scratch, get the sump early and braze the pickup on, rather than using the hose clamp to hold it on.
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!
what about a scat deep sump?
buy once CRy once B E R G the only sump to buy
BiX wrote:If you building the enginer fron scratch, get the sump early and braze the pickup on, rather than using the hose clamp to hold it on.
Definately will get the extended pick up tube braised..yeah I saw the hose clamp that holds it on..its a bit un-nerving knowing that you are relying on an oil supply from your sump via a tube and hose clamp
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The Stan sump or similar is all thats needed and its Australian Made !
Extra oil will not give extra cooling , it will just take longer to reach running temp.
The American / Chinese ones are mostly crap. Berg or CB are the exceptions..
1303Steve wrote:Hi
I have a Gene Berg sump on my sons bug, it cops a hiding on speed humps etc. I really like the the special Berg attaching nuts, I'm not sure if other sumps use this nut system but they work great.
Steve
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GENE BERG for me
vw54 wrote:buy once CRy once B E R G the only sump to buy
Years of Hillclimbing and bloody hard racing, Berg is still the best, no leaks ever.
Cheers Col
Berg for me as well.
Yeh me Berg as well, would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
LOWBUG wrote:... would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
Looking @ your avatar, you only drive in a straight line. No wonder, you have no need for one of Stan's sumps.
🙂LOWBUG wrote:Yeh me Berg as well, would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
Australian made stuff is usualy far sup
Berg ones are good , I have on 2 different cars but the do NOT stop oil surge during hard cornering.They require lots of internal mods to stop the oil surge. Very dissapointing
Berg is THE only way to go, forget the rest buy the best.
HoneyAbba wrote:LOWBUG wrote:Yeh me Berg as well, would't waste my time with a Australian made fith pistion.
Australian made stuff is usualy far sup
Berg ones are good , I have on 2 different cars but the do NOT stop oil surge during hard cornering.They require lots of internal mods to stop the oil surge. Very dissapointing
What size oil pump are you running?
Maybe the pump is emptying the sump.
I run a small size pump and have truck loads of pressure at all rev levels.
IMHO oversize oil pumps are simply not necassary in our humble little motors.
I may be hailed down but years of racing and engine teardowns tell me what works.
Cheers Col
For quality and something that works get the Pobjoy sump, it's proven itself on multiple race cars and it's machined out of billet alloy, and it's Australian Made.
I use Berg or Scat that I modify. I agree with Colin that too big an oil pump is most likely the cause with oil surge issues if running a properly setup deep sump.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
we only use small pumps in our roundy race cars, but they do see high rpm around 8ooo.
Also lots of traction with large slicks and LSD
we had to section off the the inside of the Berg sump plus other internal mods
cheers Col.
HoneyAbba wrote:we only use small pumps in our roundy race cars, but they do see high rpm around 8ooo.
Also lots of traction with large slicks and LSD
we had to section off the the inside of the Berg sump plus other internal mods
cheers Col.
Sounds like your all over the problem, good work.
It,s all part of the fun i reckon, solving little issues to make our little bugs giant killers on the track.
Never used a Pobjoy sump, but lots of other people swear by them, so they must work.
Cheers Col
I saw Onion's years ago that was similar to what Honey's talking about. 4 Qt Berg with diagonal baffles and flappers for surge control. Good for over 9k.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
Yep its a Hellbug idea but without those big arse return lines , also added extra baffles..
