WTB- Hydraulic Clutch and Brake setup

patina Seriously Crusin Dubber

121 posts · joined Oct 2010 · 28 Sep 2011, 12:03 pm

#864361

Im looking for a hydraulic clutch and brake setup to suit my oval running four wheel discs and a 1916cc.
Has anyone had any experience with these things?
I'll be happy with any info on who sells them, what to buy or what not to buy. Most of the things I hear about them are from the people trying to sell them to you...
Thanks guys, greatly appreciated!
Julian

Calcool Fahrvergnugen

965 posts · joined May 2005 · 28 Sep 2011, 1:06 pm

#864366

What Wheels do you want to fit?

With or without drop spindles?

What your budget?

I have bought 205 PCD and 130 PCD (Porsche) from Classic Veedub and am happy with the quality of the parts, but have not fitted them yet, but I have no reason to think they will not perform.

Vollks recomend a bigger bore mater cylinder and I am considering that but you will deinately need a dual circuit master cylinder.

Cheers,

David

patina Seriously Crusin Dubber

121 posts · joined Oct 2010 · 28 Sep 2011, 2:16 pm

#864372

I have 15x6 Fuchs all round, drop spindles and a four inch narrowed beam.
This is all going to be fitted to an IRS pan which will then sit under the Oval.
I am almost certain purchased a dual circuit master cylinder not to long ago.
Hope this helps?
Cheers

Calcool Fahrvergnugen

965 posts · joined May 2005 · 28 Sep 2011, 2:30 pm

#864377

Buy the Porsche 4 weel disc set up from Classic Veedub, I got the one with the Chevy stud pattern too so it is easy to source a spare!

Birdman Wolfsburg Wizard

428 posts · joined May 2010 · 28 Sep 2011, 4:40 pm

#864395

Try a SACO Hyrdaulic clutch kit.
The mounting bracket is designed for LHD but should not be too hard to change to RHD. I'll give ya a hand as I will hopefully be using one of these for the hydraulic clutch on my subaru trans.
Gimme a call for more details.

patina Seriously Crusin Dubber

121 posts · joined Oct 2010 · 28 Sep 2011, 4:52 pm

#864398

Thanks guys,
Birdman I'll give you a ring soon, this looks like what I need.

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 28 Sep 2011, 6:00 pm

#864409

why bother with a hydraulic clutch?

patina Seriously Crusin Dubber

121 posts · joined Oct 2010 · 28 Sep 2011, 6:55 pm

#864424

The person assembling the pan recommended getting one, and I trust his judgement.

bugzla Custom Title Time!

1,164 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 28 Sep 2011, 7:30 pm

#864436

doesnt that saco clutch slave sit inside the tunnel ............. i was looking at this but thought of the problem of it leaking with out knowing inside the tunnel

Birdman Wolfsburg Wizard

428 posts · joined May 2010 · 28 Sep 2011, 7:57 pm

#864441

bugzla wrote:doesnt that saco clutch slave sit inside the tunnel ............. i was looking at this but thought of the problem of it leaking with out knowing inside the tunnel

Yeah it does but friends of mine have run them for years and never had a problem. Besides your tunnel should be full of por 15 any way.😁

Aussie Dubbin Fahrvergnugen

895 posts · joined Jul 2008 · 28 Sep 2011, 10:16 pm

#864468

i bought the combo bolt pattern all wheel dis setup from george at classic. Was 400 front and 400 rear, not too bad. Having a little trouble bleeding them but hope to get that sorted soon. They are empi and only have rare positive coments made about them. I just saw some rear blank Vw discs the other day in australia for $120 but cannot remember the website.

I would reccomend the cheapest option is above.
Alternatively the 944 rear bolts directly to the bug irs setup, and you now that you have a good quality brake and handbrake setup.
Or you could machine up some ford rear discs and run the ea falcon rear calipers with simple modification.

Fronts should be easy enough to find blanks or run the combo one form george.
Biggest problem i found as the rear hub/disc

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 29 Sep 2011, 8:50 am

#864499

Hi

You can most likely use a stock master cylinder with your 4 wheel discs.

I guessing that your pan is an semi auto one with no clutch conduit, as your pan is not under the car its not too hard to fit a clutch tube.

There are pros and cons with hydraulic and cable clutches.

If you break a cable you can at the side of the road you can replace it, if your hydraulics fail at the side of the road its a bigger deal to get hold of seals or a line and change it at the side of the road.

Steve

patina Seriously Crusin Dubber

121 posts · joined Oct 2010 · 29 Sep 2011, 9:21 am

#864503

Appreciate all the help so far!

Aussie Dubbin Fahrvergnugen

895 posts · joined Jul 2008 · 29 Sep 2011, 10:31 am

#864510

If your hydraylic clutch failed you could probably limp home until you can fix it by starting in seocnd and dry shifting if asolutely necessary with high revs to low revs gear changes?

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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 · 29 Sep 2011, 8:29 pm

#864633

I have done lots of driving with broken clutch cables & dislodged thrust races in my bug over the years - not hard to do - just line the speeds up and she just slots in to the next gear. Stop/starts in traffic are the hard part - just have to be careful.

From your ole' mate Jeff

Adsman Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined Jan 2007 · 30 Sep 2011, 8:29 pm

#864739

bugzla wrote:doesnt that saco clutch slave sit inside the tunnel ............. i was looking at this but thought of the problem of it leaking with out knowing inside the tunnel

Why not use silicone oil instead of brake fluid?

That's what I'm installing now. Yes silicone is a bit more expensive but it last until it leaks, so good value in that sense.

I'm installing a SACO kit. When you receive it you will need to change the straight fittings to 90 fitting for it to work on a full length pan. Also the cheap alloy fitting that come with it are really crap! Also the reservoir fitting allows the hose to fall off. Fitting swap cost me $12 so far.

Can post pic for ppl. For those in Townsville, you are welcome to have a look see. All in currently just need to bleed the system when I can get a slave child to assist. lol

What my garage isn't messy........Well chaos is a form of order isn't it?

bugzla Custom Title Time!

1,164 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 30 Sep 2011, 8:33 pm

#864741

hey adam what been upto hope all is well bud havent seen you for ages

Adsman Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined Jan 2007 · 30 Sep 2011, 9:13 pm

#864746

Been working and trying to sort stuff after the cyclone. Only thing i have done to the buggy this year is put the hydraulic clutch in. lol
Will have to have a chat and catch up soon

What my garage isn't messy........Well chaos is a form of order isn't it?

Flintstones Custom Title Time!

1,077 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 30 Sep 2011, 10:05 pm

#864750

Adsman wrote:Can post pic for ppl.

yes please.
Bought this kit ages ago, haven't fitted it as yet

Cheers
D