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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902463
Hi All,

Will brakes designed to be used on a 68- and onwards beetle work on the back of a 67 and earlier car?

I have a short axle swinger, aussie '67

and am looking at getting some new drums for all corners of the bug and basically overhauling the lot; am going to stay with drums but after Greg Mackie's run in with replacement parts (Zimmerman I think?) I wanted to get the best drums possible.

CSP germany make some for a 68- car and for the front of mine, see links below.

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=773941583117&rub1=Wheels%20%2F%20Brakes&rub2=Brake%20Drums%2Crear%20with%20modified%20PCD&artnr=12569a&pn=0&sort=0&all=

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=773941583117&rub1=Wheels%20%2F%20Brakes&rub2=Brake%20Drums%2CStandard%20front&artnr=10037a&pn=0&sort=0&all=
BMW R65 LS
1967 1300 Deluxe
Swing-axles FTW ❗

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#902465
Ask for a WRITTEN GUARANTEE that they won't break, Shaun. If that isn't on, find some really good S/H ones, and 'tidy them up'.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#904139
If the CSP ones are actually made in Germany like they say they are then they should be of very high quality.

Check out the adverts on the UK forum: Volkszone/VZi.

There are plenty of the big guys like M7 and VW Heritage that still get parts from German manufacturers and may be worth checking out.

Maybe some of the Oz VW companies get stock from Europe but would take a lot of ringing around to find out. As I found out recently in Oz you only get VW Brasil flywheel seals yet in the UK you can still buy the much better quality VW Germany seal. 😉
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#904394
yeah find 2nd hand and rebuild them like I did with these.

btw, the photo does no justice on how good it really turned out.



71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

Uber Kafer Wolfsburg Wizard

414 posts · joined Nov 2009 ·

#904456
sander288 wrote:Will brakes designed to be used on a 68- and onwards beetle work on the back of a 67 and earlier car?

I have a short axle swinger, aussie '67
with regards to the back brakes if you got the drum to suit your year, and the maximum width brake shoes, which are 40mm wide I think, you will have the biggest stock rear brake setup for a beetle. So that probably achieves what you were attempting to do ??

As for the front, the stock 67 drums are probably the biggest beetle front drums as well (except for the 181)

As for quality, check with Just Kampers Australia as they seem to import their stock from the UK. They should be able to tell you what brand their brake drums are.

If you are going to privately import a disc brake kit, ask if they can leave out the wheel bearings. Its a waste of time and $ shipping them around the world, they can be purchased locally no problems.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#904461
sander288 wrote:Will brakes designed to be used on a 68- and onwards beetle work on the back of a 67 and earlier car?

I have a short axle swinger, aussie '67
Hi

68 on brakes are 4 stud, if you want to get more braking on the rear you can fit early Type 3 rears along with backing plates, you just need to get the snout turned down for early axles.

You will end up with bit much bite on the back but you could fit bias valve to fix bias problems and also try different wheel cylinder sizes.

I reckon your better off looking good for 2nd hand Type 3 stuff and have them reconditioned, new linings and cylinders etc.

Steve

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#904462
1303Steve wrote:
sander288 wrote:Will brakes designed to be used on a 68- and onwards beetle work on the back of a 67 and earlier car?

I have a short axle swinger, aussie '67
Hi

68 on brakes are 4 stud, if you want to get more braking on the rear you can fit early Type 3 rears along with backing plates, you just need to get the snout turned down for early axles.

You will end up with bit much bite on the back but you could fit bias valve to fix bias problems and also try different wheel cylinder sizes.

I reckon your better off looking good for 2nd hand Type 3 stuff and have them reconditioned, new linings and cylinders etc.

Steve
yes type 3 brakes are good upgrade on the bug due to them being lighter.

If you spend the time and effort also making sure to buy quality rebuild kits. then your brakes will be better than new, coz most new stuff is Chinese crap lol.

with my calipers pictured above. I have one genuine rebuild kit and the other I reused the old seals and boots because they were better even being 19 year old than the brand new after market kit rubbers.

Apparently I bought the last rebuilt kit for each end of the car left in stock from the manufacture. So I only had one of rear and one of front.

what a bastard!

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#904606
vlad01 wrote:
1303Steve wrote:
sander288 wrote:Will brakes designed to be used on a 68- and onwards beetle work on the back of a 67 and earlier car?

I have a short axle swinger, aussie '67
Hi

68 on brakes are 4 stud, if you want to get more braking on the rear you can fit early Type 3 rears along with backing plates, you just need to get the snout turned down for early axles.

You will end up with bit much bite on the back but you could fit bias valve to fix bias problems and also try different wheel cylinder sizes.

I reckon your better off looking good for 2nd hand Type 3 stuff and have them reconditioned, new linings and cylinders etc.

Steve
yes type 3 brakes are good upgrade on the bug due to them being lighter.

If you spend the time and effort also making sure to buy quality rebuild kits. then your brakes will be better than new, coz most new stuff is Chinese crap lol.

with my calipers pictured above. I have one genuine rebuild kit and the other I reused the old seals and boots because they were better even being 19 year old than the brand new after market kit rubbers.

Apparently I bought the last rebuilt kit for each end of the car left in stock from the manufacture. So I only had one of rear and one of front.

what a bastard!
Brake calipers should be easier to source good quality seals for but will take some investigating with ATE and other OEM manufacturers. Somewhere down the line the same size seal was used by another manufacturer on their vehicle. I managed to obtain genuine VW seals for my VR6 calipers but took some digging to get hold of them 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#904663
Yeah I did some digging too, some genuine kits were still available at bursons but were $65 each! that is ridiculous considering you can buy the genuine calipers new for 200 each. So I got what I could, found some really rusty calipers off a car sitting in a paddock where the seals and boots and bores were immaculate. If you compare my used rubbers to the new kit you would find it very hard to tell its used, in fact the aftermarket kit you would say was the old seals 😀

Problem was PBR stopped making a lot of calipers and kits last year because Bosch is buying them out. Production may start again but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Ate still manufacturing?

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#904842
Yea, the Brazilian stuff for dubs ain't great these days 🙁

Seems there are so few good quality aftermarket companies around in the entire world. Flat 4 and CSP are 2 of the few and some of CIP1 stuff is good too.

ATE are still the largest OEM brake manufacturer for Europe as far as I'm aware. AC Delco are trying to muscle in due to the Opel and Vauxhall marquees that Chrysler own.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#905103
AC Delco ? that will be interesting AC Delco are quite good.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE