hi there what can i do to stop rear wheel from lifting when cornering hard,and making me roll.What works ,how much and where do i get it from.Ive been having a bit too much fun and have had a few scary moments
Waiting for the Dave Birchall response 🤪🤪🤪🤪
And Greg Mackie to get involved 👍👍👍👍
How big is this can of worms 😂😂😂😂😂
Sorry, I know this doesn't give you an answer but the fun may just be starting.
I have an aftermarket heavy sway bar on the front (also car lowered) and it is great for lack of body roll.
I thought rebuilding a VW would be cheap - Shit I was wrong, just don't let the wife know !!!!
Click here for my (slowy) modded 1961 Beetle build.Well a camber compensator will help alot and not deteriorate the ride quality
I added one and took some ride height out of the rear and I went from this at the 2010 Supersprint
to this at the 2011 Supersprint...
Now we just need Steve Carter trying to preach the values of a strut front and double jointed rear! 😁
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the other thing people are doing is adding HUGE torsion bars like 28mm or 30mm to the back to stiffen it up, but this can break away without much warning...
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Damn the changing of the shorts would have occured after that first pic.
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66deluxe wrote:Damn the changing of the shorts would have occured after that first pic.
To be honest I never thought it was that bad until I saw the pic!
And it's Goulbrun too cold for shorts!
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ok thanks ,so a camber compensator is the go .Where did you get it or what would you say is a goodn,if yours is unavailable
RestoKäfer wrote:hi there what can i do to stop rear wheel from lifting when cornering hard,and making me roll.What works ,how much and where do i get it from.Ive been having a bit too much fun and have had a few scary moments
Are go going to Valla? If so, I could give you some help with how to improve the swing-axle set up. It's too involved to do it on here.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
No im not going to valla .I never meant to have this beetle going like it does the set up was just to have it a bit low.Its got a 4 inch down under beam empi discs and drop spindles,The front is stiff as.The rear has koni shocks and adjustable spring plates with a 2 inch drop,heaps of spungy travel with no bottoming out.2mm tow front 1 mm tow rear.Im supprised as to how well it goes just worried i could wreck it if something else is not done.Stanard drums on rear.Ps thanks for the offer of help always appreciated
I would also love to hear more about the camber compensator.
We are running swing axle on both our cars.
For the rear we fitted a 18mm Z bar with rose joints that fit onto the axle tubes. With this setup you can lift the car up withou ever getting pos camber.
Z-bar is the other option; possibly a better solution but can be harder to fit if your car doesn't have the mountings for it.
Ian Brown in the UK is using a Z-bar to great effect; but his is adjustable and ALOT beefier than a stock Z-bar
http://www.justkampers.com/blog/post/just_beetles_goes_touring_car_racing_part_14
4agedub; do you have more pics of your set-up? I noticed in your other thread your running K&L and swing axle
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1967 1300 Deluxe
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can someone explain what im looking at,please.
I'll take some closer pics of the Z bar setup. The photos are not that clear.
4agedub wrote:I'll take some closer pics of the Z bar setup. The photos are not that clear.
That would be nice.
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4agedub wrote:I'll take some closer pics of the Z bar setup. The photos are not that clear.
or u can do a threaded rod to give u adjustment like a coilover..
Nice work!
Sorry for the bad quality picture.
The Z-bar's ends have been threaded and joined with rose joints onto the axle tube
ive always wondered why you cant chuck a limiting strap on the rear axles to the shock tower?
The limiting strap makes the inside wheel unload too much. It then generates wheelsipn on the inside wheel and you find yourself pointing in the wrong direction very quickly 🙂
4agedub wrote:The limiting strap makes the inside wheel unload too much. It then generates wheelsipn on the inside wheel and you find yourself pointing in the wrong direction very quickly 🙂
Very sound advice, although a F.Vee type cable can work.
Speaking of wheelspin, how do you control this? Do you have a ZF or Quaife diff? Or a spool
🤪,even? If so, is underster then a big problem?
Sorry for all the questions, but I am facing this dilemma RIGHT NOW.
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Great to have your input here, by the way.
👍I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
Listen to how Gregs works his car sits nice n flat on the track
I have just blue-slipped my 'tub'. Comes standard with 1mm lighter Rear Torsion Bars, Standard thickness Spring Plates, a Compensator Spring and Konis.
It is impossible to buy original Porsche Compensator Rubbers (which wear out in about 2 years) and modern copies go for $700 a pair.
A good quality Camber Regulator costs about half of this price and provides much more flexibility of adjustment.
My set-up:-
FRONT 19mm RollBar with Max adjustment on the Konis.
REAR Single Spring Regulator adjusted to 30mm 'push-up' on one end and half way on the Konis.
The 'push-up' gives 2° Negative Camber
This is a street set-up only and within standard range specification for the 356 (other than the 'push-up' on the Regulator instead of the 'push-down of a Compensator).
Thet Max on the front Konis doesn't feel harsh.
The car drives mild Understeer into the corner and very mild Oversteer out of the corner under power. The "feel" is a very nice balance. The attitude of the car is FLAT but not harsh.
A Track set-up would require a x2 spring Regulator and maybe a larger RoolBar at the front.
I think that this would be a very good starting point for a road performance swing axle VW - same 'shite' - slightly different bucket.
We're running solid spool on both the cars. There's a little understeer through hairpin turns, but the benefits far outweighed the negatives.
HappyDaze wrote:Are go going to Valla? If so, I could give you some help with how to improve the swing-axle set up. It's too involved to do it on here.
if you are offering a master class can i please sit in?
Happy to pass on anything that may be of use.....only don't ask me to do too much [one-finger] typing.🙄
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
oldtub356 wrote:I have just blue-slipped my 'tub'. Comes standard with 1mm lighter Rear Torsion Bars, Standard thickness Spring Plates, a Compensator Spring and Konis.
It is impossible to buy original Porsche Compensator Rubbers (which wear out in about 2 years) and modern copies go for $700 a pair.
A good quality Camber Regulator costs about half of this price and provides much more flexibility of adjustment.
My set-up:-
FRONT 19mm RollBar with Max adjustment on the Konis.
REAR Single Spring Regulator adjusted to 30mm 'push-up' on one end and half way on the Konis.
The 'push-up' gives 2° Negative Camber
This is a street set-up only and within standard range specification for the 356 (other than the 'push-up' on the Regulator instead of the 'push-down of a Compensator).
Thet Max on the front Konis doesn't feel harsh.
The car drives mild Understeer into the corner and very mild Oversteer out of the corner under power. The "feel" is a very nice balance. The attitude of the car is FLAT but not harsh.
A Track set-up would require a x2 spring Regulator and maybe a larger RoolBar at the front.
I think that this would be a very good starting point for a road performance swing axle VW - same 'shite' - slightly different bucket.
got any pictures
Sorry about quality of pics - everything is black under there.
Since the input above, I have changed the setup from an adjustment on one side only to both sides. While this doesn't change the handling, it causes less droop on the adjustable side and allows a bit extra adjustment potential.
I did the Putty Road run a couple of days ago and the handling was exceptional for a road swing axle. The only downer was on a rough road with a very high crown. Lefthand corners complimented the setup whereas righthand corners(negative camber corners) induced understeer.
The fine adjustment with this setup provides the opportunity to balance the rear roll to the chosen front rollbar.
If you would like better definition pics, PM me with an eMaill address and i will send 1meg pics.
There is no need to spend heaps on a 'compensating' spring. Mine is Falcon ute. rear main leaf, cut down to suit. If you have trouble drilling the end holes, use a masonry drill.
The links can be 12mm rod ends, with M12 bolts. A couple of spacers, and lock nuts and your done for less than $100 all up.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
Yes a pair of locknuts over and under, locates nicely.
Here is one of the closeups which dropped out of the last post:
oldtub356 wrote:Yes a pair of locknuts over and under, locates nicely.
Here is one of the closeups which dropped out of the last post:
still not there lance
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