bug68m Commited Dubber
55 posts · joined May 2012 ·
hi any one know what the retractable front seat belts are like from just kampers eg are they simple to fit i have a 68 beetle
retractable front seat belts
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Dunno on those but do an online search. I found Klippan and bought for my 59 Beetle from them. They retail thru Supercheap. Was about $ 90 per side.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk
2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·
They would have to be ADR approved to be sold in Australia so there is a good chance they will be alright, you will need the bracket to fit the reel to the lower mount and they should have that also.
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
ADR should give an ISO certification standard that all OEM and aftermarket worldwide companies must comply with to produce a road legal seatbelt for all countries.
That's if you wish to buy from OS but as they don't cost much to buy locally then why bother but just so you can make sure that if JustKampers are being supplied from Europe then you can check they meet the ISO standard for use in Australia.
That's if you wish to buy from OS but as they don't cost much to buy locally then why bother but just so you can make sure that if JustKampers are being supplied from Europe then you can check they meet the ISO standard for use in Australia.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk
2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·
I am quite certain that it is illeagal to sell seat belts without the approvals unless it states that it is not to be used on the road so you can be certain that the belts from just campers would comply.
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Nice if that reg actually exists 🙂 I mean Volksconversions sells gear that don't comply with ADR's 😂vwo60 wrote:I am quite certain that it is illeagal to sell seat belts without the approvals unless it states that it is not to be used on the road so you can be certain that the belts from just campers would comply.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
VioletBlue Learner Dubber
8 posts · joined Feb 2012 ·
I'm getting around to buying rear seatbelts, and noticed one Australian VW parts site with a disclaimer on some belts, along the lines of "Note that this is not certified as meeting Australian Standards"psimitar wrote:Nice if that reg actually exists 🙂 I mean Volksconversions sells gear that don't comply with ADR's 😂vwo60 wrote:I am quite certain that it is illeagal to sell seat belts without the approvals unless it states that it is not to be used on the road so you can be certain that the belts from just campers would comply.
'65 Beetle 1989-2000 (RIP), '66 Beetle 2001-
68BUS Wolfsburg Wizard
485 posts · joined Jul 2011 ·
There has been talk in the past about Wolfsburb West belts not complying with ADRS which would be a shame as they are one of the nices looking belts.
If they are new belts they really should be installed and engineer certified.
Roy at the Busstop has ADR Approved ones.
As would Jamie at Kustom Kombi.
Both Gold Coast but could post if your not close.
If they are new belts they really should be installed and engineer certified.
Roy at the Busstop has ADR Approved ones.
As would Jamie at Kustom Kombi.
Both Gold Coast but could post if your not close.
1966 Aussie 11 Window
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
If you mean the lap sash belts then they should be fine but as I said should still meet an ISO for international use.68BUS wrote:There has been talk in the past about Wolfsburb West belts not complying with ADRS which would be a shame as they are one of the nices looking belts.
If they are new belts they really should be installed and engineer certified.
Roy at the Busstop has ADR Approved ones.
As would Jamie at Kustom Kombi.
Both Gold Coast but could post if your not close.
Unfortunately, companies get away with this crap due to our governments being crap and hence leaving the nitty gritty legal compliance down to the owner of the vehicle. Germany is one of the few countries that states that aftermarket parts must be TUV approved for resale. Pretty sure RED9 in the UK has UK engineering approval too.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
hulbyw Insano Dub Head
819 posts · joined Sep 2009 ·
Correct but dropped spindles from Hoffman Speedster in Germany are not TUV approved. So you still have to be careful when buying aftermarket
Hemco industries are based in Ballarat in Vic. They sell ADR approved belts to fit almost anything and also do colours. I had them do a special order a few years ago for my son's Datsun 1600. Great job and all legal. No experience with the Just Kampers ones though.
To fit retractable belts in a '68, you may need the mounting bracket that turns the reel through 90 degees, so the reel axis is actually across the car. The brackets are from a later model Beetle but I can't remember which year. Maybe Hemco can supply something similar. Won't hurt to ask
Cheers.......Wayne
Hemco industries are based in Ballarat in Vic. They sell ADR approved belts to fit almost anything and also do colours. I had them do a special order a few years ago for my son's Datsun 1600. Great job and all legal. No experience with the Just Kampers ones though.
To fit retractable belts in a '68, you may need the mounting bracket that turns the reel through 90 degees, so the reel axis is actually across the car. The brackets are from a later model Beetle but I can't remember which year. Maybe Hemco can supply something similar. Won't hurt to ask
Cheers.......Wayne
vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk
2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·
Just campers have all the hard ware to do the conversion.
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
And unfortuntely, even tho TUV is more stringent than ADR, if you buy TUV approved stuff there is still no guarantee that an Oz vehicle engineer will approve the modification if he thinks the aftermarket item doesn't meet ADR.hulbyw wrote:Correct but dropped spindles from Hoffman Speedster in Germany are not TUV approved. So you still have to be careful when buying aftermarket
Hemco industries are based in Ballarat in Vic. They sell ADR approved belts to fit almost anything and also do colours. I had them do a special order a few years ago for my son's Datsun 1600. Great job and all legal. No experience with the Just Kampers ones though.
To fit retractable belts in a '68, you may need the mounting bracket that turns the reel through 90 degees, so the reel axis is actually across the car. The brackets are from a later model Beetle but I can't remember which year. Maybe Hemco can supply something similar. Won't hurt to ask
Cheers.......Wayne
Hemco and Klippan are both ADR compliant and Klippan do various colours too 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
cam070 Custom Title Time!
1,332 posts · joined Jul 2009 ·
It wouldn't be the first time ADRs lagged behind the rest fo the world and won't approve things that pass standards such as TUV, which even exceed ADRs.
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Yea, ADR's are somewhat more of a boiler maker approach and do need to get with the modern times instead of trying to be the big I am and doing things it's own way.cam070 wrote:It wouldn't be the first time ADRs lagged behind the rest fo the world and won't approve things that pass standards such as TUV, which even exceed ADRs.
Hopefully it'll get there sometime soon 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
AA003 Custom Title Time!
1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·
All belts need to be ADR approved.
Euro and US belts may not be approved. VW has different belts in Australian vehicles. They are a lot of belts sold in Australia that are not approved.
Get the Hemco as it is approved and what is supplied by Volkswagen.
Euro and US belts may not be approved. VW has different belts in Australian vehicles. They are a lot of belts sold in Australia that are not approved.
Get the Hemco as it is approved and what is supplied by Volkswagen.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
I doubt any OEM vehicle manufacturer these days installs specific Oz anything. Vehicles are homologated so that they comply with all country vehicle standards b4 leaving the factory, wherever in the world that may be.AA003 wrote:All belts need to be ADR approved.
Euro and US belts may not be approved. VW has different belts in Australian vehicles. They are a lot of belts sold in Australia that are not approved.
Get the Hemco as it is approved and what is supplied by Volkswagen.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
AA003 Custom Title Time!
1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·
Mate, you really have no idea what you are talking about. One of the VW "M" options is "made for Australia."psimitar wrote:I doubt any OEM vehicle manufacturer these days installs specific Oz anything. Vehicles are homologated so that they comply with all country vehicle standards b4 leaving the factory, wherever in the world that may be.
What about child restraints? Ours are Australia only.
What about the owner's handbook "Australian Supplement"?
My Audi was recalled because the sticker on the jack did not meet Australian standards.
The Golf 2 GTI had a CRAB bar for Australia only.
Our tyres have different standards.
A Chery does not comply with Victorian standards but does in NSW.
Our air bags would not be legal in the US.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
AA003 wrote:All belts need to be ADR approved.
Euro and US belts may not be approved. VW has different belts in Australian vehicles. They are a lot of belts sold in Australia that are not approved.
Get the Hemco as it is approved and what is supplied by Volkswagen.
Speaking of which, where can one find the original aussie seat belts?
Guessing only 2nd and then a licensed belt re-webbing/reconditioning?
Someone put in butt ugly "sticks out like dogs balls" retractable belts in mine 🙅
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
wild baja Casual Dubber
26 posts · joined Sep 2011 ·
Ive just been thru this with my engineer for certification of my 69 baja .
what he says is, while the retractable seats belts may be approved, the OEM B pillar of my model is not designed for the double pull of a retractable belt, thus he cannot approve the conversion. However if I put a roll bar in with new 7/16 UNF point he can appprove that for retractable belts.
what he says is, while the retractable seats belts may be approved, the OEM B pillar of my model is not designed for the double pull of a retractable belt, thus he cannot approve the conversion. However if I put a roll bar in with new 7/16 UNF point he can appprove that for retractable belts.
AA003 Custom Title Time!
1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·
Hemco. Made in Australia supplied to Volkswagen for Australian cars and sold by Vintage Vee Dub Supplies.vlad01 wrote:AA003 wrote:All belts need to be ADR approved.
Euro and US belts may not be approved. VW has different belts in Australian vehicles. They are a lot of belts sold in Australia that are not approved.
Get the Hemco as it is approved and what is supplied by Volkswagen.
Speaking of which, where can one find the original aussie seat belts?
Guessing only 2nd and then a licensed belt re-webbing/reconditioning?
Someone put in butt ugly "sticks out like dogs balls" retractable belts in mine 🙅
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Yes I truely don't know what I'm on about.AA003 wrote:Mate, you really have no idea what you are talking about. One of the VW "M" options is "made for Australia."psimitar wrote:I doubt any OEM vehicle manufacturer these days installs specific Oz anything. Vehicles are homologated so that they comply with all country vehicle standards b4 leaving the factory, wherever in the world that may be.
What about child restraints? Ours are Australia only.
What about the owner's handbook "Australian Supplement"?
My Audi was recalled because the sticker on the jack did not meet Australian standards.
The Golf 2 GTI had a CRAB bar for Australia only.
Our tyres have different standards.
A Chery does not comply with Victorian standards but does in NSW.
Our air bags would not be legal in the US.
The majority of a vehicle IS HOMOLAGATED to meet worldwide standards. Supplementary items such as a child seat is not part of homolagation regulations and hence comes under country specific 'supplements'
Personally, I'm rather sick and tired of ADR's boiler maker approach to vehicle standards but that's just me :P
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
AA003 Custom Title Time!
1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·
The good thing about worldwide standards is that there is so many of them.psimitar wrote:The majority of a vehicle IS HOMOLAGATED to meet worldwide standards.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
wild baja wrote:the OEM B pillar of my model is not designed for the double pull of a retractable belt, thus he cannot approve the conversion
Hi
Your engineer would know more than me but the stock belt is a 3 point belt as is a retractable belt using the same mounting points, I can't understand what he's getting at.
Steve
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
I wonder if they can recondition my existing ones? I quite like the og big buckle dodge truck style belts.AA003 wrote:Hemco. Made in Australia supplied to Volkswagen for Australian cars and sold by Vintage Vee Dub Supplies.vlad01 wrote:AA003 wrote:All belts need to be ADR approved.
Euro and US belts may not be approved. VW has different belts in Australian vehicles. They are a lot of belts sold in Australia that are not approved.
Get the Hemco as it is approved and what is supplied by Volkswagen.
Speaking of which, where can one find the original aussie seat belts?
Guessing only 2nd and then a licensed belt re-webbing/reconditioning?
Someone put in butt ugly "sticks out like dogs balls" retractable belts in mine 🙅
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
YOu're quite right in saying that if the vehicle has original OEM 3 point mounting captives fitted that an ADR compliant aftermarket 3 point will fit straight in and not even require and engineer.1303Steve wrote:wild baja wrote:the OEM B pillar of my model is not designed for the double pull of a retractable belt, thus he cannot approve the conversion
Hi
Your engineer would know more than me but the stock belt is a 3 point belt as is a retractable belt using the same mounting points, I can't understand what he's getting at.
Steve
If however your vehicle does not have original OEM 3 point mounting holes then you must follow the ADR and NCOP to fit the appropriate load spreaders where each mounting point is required. This I know as I had to do this to get a blue plate for my 59 Beetle with 3 points certified 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍
psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good
2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
I thought that's what the International Standards Organisation (ISO) were there for? Like ISO9001 used throughout Oz for many construction and fabrication projects.AA003 wrote:The good thing about worldwide standards is that there is so many of them.psimitar wrote:The majority of a vehicle IS HOMOLAGATED to meet worldwide standards.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍