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how do you read the engine specs seems pretty loose to me!
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colin Fahrvergnugen
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3J is the old class, it is now Improved Production.mactaylor wrote:how do you read the engine specs seems pretty loose to me!
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yeah got the new regsl 3j- improved production.
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"
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I thought the idea of imp pro was to have alot of freedom in what you could do; with the exception that the same features of the car must remain; i.e. 4 cy boxer, steel body, torsion bars etc...
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791 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·
Sander your pretty much right how ever there are a fair amount of freedoms. As long as the engine is the same numbers cyclinders, configuration and make (i.e Toyota to Toyota, Nissan to Nissan etc) and it came out in some production car some where in the world then the engine is allowed. i.e An old Datto with an SR or Corona with 4AGE or a Gemini with a twin cam which came out in the Holden Apollo (Toyota Camry). Heads, exhaust and induction/ignition and capacity are free as to are brakes. If you want to know anything the guys on here who race VWs in the Imp Pro class would be more then willing to help. Send me a PM if you have any Q's.
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Sides Veteran Volks Folk
2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·
Yeah - plenty enough freedom really.
Bout only real restriction that potentially a pain is the "block/case must be from original manufacturer".
Bout only real restriction that potentially a pain is the "block/case must be from original manufacturer".
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vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?
2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·
YepSides wrote:Yeah - plenty enough freedom really.
Bout only real restriction that potentially a pain is the "block/case must be from original manufacturer".
And how many run magnesium cases like they should??? (secret poll ... no names)
PAZZAN Wolfsburg Wizard
592 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·
you could run a type 4 case as they came out in the 411 s which is a vw production car 👍😉
Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
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Colin, its still known as the 3J class but they have added the "improved production"colin wrote:3J is the old class, it is now Improved Production.mactaylor wrote:how do you read the engine specs seems pretty loose to me!
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http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/02_race/d.%203rd%20Category/RA29_Group_3J_2013-2.pdf
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Nathan, what engine case do you and the yellow beetle run ?bat69 wrote:As long as the engine is the same numbers cyclinders, configuration and make (i.e Toyota to Toyota, Nissan to Nissan etc) and it came out in some production car some where in the world then the engine is allowed. i.e An old Datto with an SR or Corona with 4AGE or a Gemini with a twin cam which came out in the Holden Apollo (Toyota Camry).
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home
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Craig, my PM's aren't sending, why don't you post your question here.
Anyway, my response is, I agree entirely, rules are rules. I'd love to hear what cases other cars are running.
Anyway, my response is, I agree entirely, rules are rules. I'd love to hear what cases other cars are running.
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"
1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·
If you can run a type 4 case in a bug in 3J then surely its ok to have an aluminium case for a type 1. Although it says it must come from the same manufacturer if the factory isn't making them anymore a replacement item must be ok.
Just peeked at the Formula Vee rules and even they can run the aluminium cases!
If it was my car in 3J I would be going the type 4 engine route; way more power and torque!
Just peeked at the Formula Vee rules and even they can run the aluminium cases!
If it was my car in 3J I would be going the type 4 engine route; way more power and torque!
matberry Moderator Go hard or go home
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If I was running 3J, I would go mag type 1 all the way. Ali cases are definately not made by VW, just like Scat, Pauter, TF1 etc etc aren't.
To me if it's 2 litre, a Type 4 would be a step backwards, heavier, all torque and no power, smaller rev range, but for over 2 litre they make more sense as you can go crazy in displacement, although I'd probably still stick with type 1 for the higher rpm, cheaper more available components and bottom line, more power-weight (yes awesome power 'can' be made from type 4, but heads are VERY exxy)
To me if it's 2 litre, a Type 4 would be a step backwards, heavier, all torque and no power, smaller rev range, but for over 2 litre they make more sense as you can go crazy in displacement, although I'd probably still stick with type 1 for the higher rpm, cheaper more available components and bottom line, more power-weight (yes awesome power 'can' be made from type 4, but heads are VERY exxy)
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Sides Veteran Volks Folk
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Heh heh... oops... did I cause all that ???matberry wrote:Look out
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My engine's built on an original VW mag case, which DB said checked out surprisingly well.
Not so much for the rules sake but more that ali cases are around 8kg heavier... and all at the worst end of the car to have extra weight.
Rules wise, well hey - rules keep evolving all the time, and from what I've seen in other classes it's all fine until you start winning and someone's prepared to poniy up the $$$ to protest.
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Sides Veteran Volks Folk
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FVee are OK because they specifically allow it, while for Imp Prod there's this catch line in there at the start...sander288 wrote:If you can run a type 4 case in a bug in 3J then surely its ok to have an aluminium case for a type 1. Although it says it must come from the same manufacturer if the factory isn't making them anymore a replacement item must be ok.
Just peeked at the Formula Vee rules and even they can run the aluminium cases!
"The entire vehicle must remain unmodified except for specific freedoms allowed in these regulations and
modifications necessary to comply with “General Requirements for Cars and Drivers”."
I agree that you should be able to run 'em tho if want to !!!
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BiX Veteran Volks Folk
2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
My engine is built on a mag case for IP and PRC. Though the alum case would be stronger, it not within the rules, but seems to be a common area to bend them.
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home
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Yeah Dave, look what you started..... 😂😂
I agree, for me the weight is the biggest criteria being over the rear axle line. I forgot to mention that new mag cases are still available so there aren't any excuses to be running aftermarket.
How come the number of thread views keeps going up but the racers aren't commenting??????
[edit] ali case racers aren't commenting. 😂
I agree, for me the weight is the biggest criteria being over the rear axle line. I forgot to mention that new mag cases are still available so there aren't any excuses to be running aftermarket.
How come the number of thread views keeps going up but the racers aren't commenting??????
[edit] ali case racers aren't commenting. 😂
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you could, but was the 411 commercially available to the public as a 'new' car in Australia with over 200 sold and registered in Aus ?PAZZAN wrote:you could run a type 4 case as they came out in the 411 s which is a vw production car 👍😉
PAZZAN Wolfsburg Wizard
592 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·
heads are meant to be original as well I think..I ran a mag case.... heads??? 😂
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"4.1 General:
Subject to the limitations contained in 4.2 and 4.3(iii) below,the engine and components directly associated with its function are free. The crankshaft centreline as viewed from above must be parallel to that of the original engine."
Heads are 'free', so can be aftermarket and not restricted to original manufacturer.👍
Subject to the limitations contained in 4.2 and 4.3(iii) below,the engine and components directly associated with its function are free. The crankshaft centreline as viewed from above must be parallel to that of the original engine."
Heads are 'free', so can be aftermarket and not restricted to original manufacturer.👍
BiX Veteran Volks Folk
2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Heads look free
"Subject to the limitations contained in 4.2 and 4.3(iii) below, the engine and components directly associated with its function are free."
and heads not mentioned below, they are free. In theory we could go to a custom made, twin cam, 8v head each side.
"Subject to the limitations contained in 4.2 and 4.3(iii) below, the engine and components directly associated with its function are free."
and heads not mentioned below, they are free. In theory we could go to a custom made, twin cam, 8v head each side.
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"
1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·
I wonder how this will play out with targeted scrutiny coming in? They'd have to prove it was aluminium and not mag... which wouldn't be easy for them
matberry Moderator Go hard or go home
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Shaun, proof is on the casting, VW or AutoLinea.....no brainer
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mactaylor Custom Title Time!
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good thread hey! sorry boys.
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so v dub case 2ltr capacity who has a new idea of power production?
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colin Fahrvergnugen
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I run a VW AS21 mag case,matberry wrote:Yeah Dave, look what you started..... 😂😂
I agree, for me the weight is the biggest criteria being over the rear axle line. I forgot to mention that new mag cases are still available so there aren't any excuses to be running aftermarket.
How come the number of thread views keeps going up but the racers aren't commenting??????
[edit] ali case racers aren't commenting. 😂
what other people use, well i couldn,t care less.
Ally case or VW, no big deal.👍
Cheers Col
PAZZAN Wolfsburg Wizard
592 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·
yep I agree who cares what case your running ,ally is heaver but stronger I went through about 4 mag cases in about 12 years of competing...
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
So would an oxy boxer be allowed?matberry wrote:To me if it's 2 litre, a Type 4 would be a step backwards, heavier, all torque and no power, smaller rev range, but for over 2 litre they make more sense as you can go crazy in displacement, although I'd probably still stick with type 1 for the higher rpm, cheaper more available components and bottom line, more power-weight (yes awesome power 'can' be made from type 4, but heads are VERY exxy)
sander288 "Bolt-on Master"
1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·
I reckon this would be allowed.1303Steve wrote:So would an oxy boxer be allowed?