1776cc with 44IDF's

FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 13 Apr 2013, 6:20 pm

#951227

Hi There,
I have never used Webbers before but here go's.
1776 with 10:1 comp 130 cam. They are 44IDF's
Question is what air, idles and mains should be in the ball park to get this going?
Just going to have a look at the size of the vents now

Thanks
Frosty

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2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 13 Apr 2013, 6:30 pm

#951229

Can't help with the jets bus, but I hope you have a decent valve train and some nice heads to support that 130 you are running. Sounds like an interesting motor.

There are a bunch of guys on here that will give you some ideas about the jets.

OZ Towdster Keen to finish some projects

1,921 posts · joined Dec 2003 · 13 Apr 2013, 6:31 pm

#951230

It's gunna have a hole lot of top end

Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel

Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 · 13 Apr 2013, 6:34 pm

#951231

What's in 'em at the moment Frosty ???

Vents are the most exxy to change, so usually base everything off of them as a starting point...

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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 13 Apr 2013, 7:13 pm

#951242

F11's with 140mains, 175 airs, 55idles with 36vents

FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 13 Apr 2013, 8:27 pm

#951259

It has 36 vents
60 idle
Air correction 180
Emulsion f11
Mains 140

Will the 36 vents change the numbers by much? They need a good clean too.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Apr 2013, 8:35 pm

#951262

Vents will change the mains

Vents x 4,2 = mains

The bigger the vent the higher the rev range for power

Craig's numbers are good

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4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 13 Apr 2013, 8:35 pm

#951263

Weren't they off a 1915 frosty

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1,990 posts · joined Sep 2007 · 13 Apr 2013, 8:48 pm

#951266

Are you having trouble getting it to run??

FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 13 Apr 2013, 9:16 pm

#951274

Started it this arvo and it did a little coughing and farting, just checking cause I only have the 1776. They are great Mick just doing a little checking.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Apr 2013, 9:33 pm

#951278

Have you synced the carbs and adjusted the mixture screws?

Futue te ipsum!!!

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5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 13 Apr 2013, 10:35 pm

#951284

What did you run before frosty and what you using this engine in?

FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 14 Apr 2013, 7:11 am

#951306

It's my 1776 in the drag car, I was running 40dells. It was the first start up yesterday and it didn't want to idle or rev. Could also be the distributor it hasn't run for a long time. Timing is spot on fuel is all ok. I'll have another go today and post the progress.

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 14 Apr 2013, 2:20 pm

#951355

60 idles are too big.

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 14 Apr 2013, 4:27 pm

#951362

You dropped Dells for Webers 🙅

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 14 Apr 2013, 4:45 pm

#951363

Whats the problem?

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FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 14 Apr 2013, 5:38 pm

#951372

Ok with a lot of dicking round, it idles but that's it! as I open the butterflies about1/8 of the way it dies straight away. I have adjusted in and out the accelerator pump volume and got it to start increasing in revs but that's it. It will not run at all with the butterflies open.
The fuel pressure is at 3psi
I have also swapped out the coil distributor for others. I have the shits now and feel like setting it on fire and pushing the heap of shit out on the street!!!!
The dells were just a bit small too Marcus, ( I got rid of 13sec dells and got 14sec Webers go figure)

Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 · 14 Apr 2013, 6:26 pm

#951377

Heh heh... Happy to my old Webers back when you truly have thei shits with 'em Frosty !!!

😂

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3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 14 Apr 2013, 6:36 pm

#951380

dirty fuel, jst pop the four screws out of the accelerator fuel pump on side and Look for muck.

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FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 14 Apr 2013, 6:53 pm

#951381

Hey Ian, I have had them totally apart and cleaned them, new fuel and all fuel lines. There is a nice stream out of the pump jet too.
If I start it with the throttle fully open should it run?

And Dave these have been very well looked after too, no your not going to get them back.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 14 Apr 2013, 7:00 pm

#951384

All mixture screws responding properly? What idle speed and when exactly does it die if you slowly open the throttles, ie how far in mm from the idle stop screw?

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3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 14 Apr 2013, 7:01 pm

#951386

whats the fuel smeell like ???

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FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 14 Apr 2013, 7:24 pm

#951391

It's about 7-8mm from the stop that it dies. And the fuel smells a bit unburnt from the idle.
I'll pick up some new plugs and leads tomorrow for round 3.

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8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 14 Apr 2013, 7:27 pm

#951393

That's mains not working

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3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 14 Apr 2013, 7:47 pm

#951401

buy a can of carby clean and straw and spray in jets and jet holes in carby to make sure not block, you could pop linkages off and try reving one carby at a time . you also may of adjust acc pump lever wrong as it maybe not getting a full stroke/pump

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FROSTY Insano Dub Head

744 posts · joined May 2009 · 14 Apr 2013, 7:47 pm

#951402

Thanks matt ,Ian ,
They are off and apart again, clean for the 2nd time coming up.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 14 Apr 2013, 8:14 pm

#951413

Something not assembled right?

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5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 14 Apr 2013, 8:19 pm

#951417

all four mains blocked 🙅 ..........will be something more than a clean Frosty

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5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 15 Apr 2013, 7:58 am

#951487

FROSTY wrote:( I got rid of 13sec dells and got 14sec Webers go figure)

😂

When they are apart check the float/fuel level is correct.

Also make sure that the venturi and aux vent is not in backward or upside down,
possibly blocking off the main jet passage.

I have seen a venturi upsidedown in another brand of carb
and it did as you explain.
It was not blocking the passage,
but was not giving enough signal for the mains to work effectively.

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 · 15 Apr 2013, 8:45 am

#951492

Assume you cleaned and checked the jet stacks too Frosty ???

I remember Mick used to run 'em without air cleaners, and have seen jetstacks before with crud and even small rocks down the emulsion tubes, which messed up the signal to the main pretty severely...

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