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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#956808
I have several pans as options for a basic drag (semi streetable) VW.....so to help narrow down the selection I have two main questions.

Do they make aluminum beams for ball joint pans or only early pans ?

If you had a choice, is it better to have IRS or swing rear setup for a drag beetle?
I can see pro's and con's for both, but I'm not a drag racer so I'm probably not looking at the complete picture.

Cheers
CT


whathaveidone Custom Title Time!

1,559 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#956813
Best option is DONT!!!! There an addictive money pit!!!😀
as far as i know k&l are the only option for alloy beams.
IMO swing axel is better. Less parts to brake.
What have you got planned????

RodPenrose Insano Dub Head

792 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#956814
Craig , Aluminium beams are only available for the early K & L beams . For the rear , the weight of the swing axle is the lightest and most effective way to transmit the power . The down side is that when the trans is out , the car is hard to move . All of this is a factor in the build . I have used both and there will not be any start line advantages from one particular set up . ROD.
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dragvw2180 Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined May 2006 ·

#956827
IMHO I would say that it depends on how much HP and Torque your engine is going to produce. Under 200 HP I would say swingaxle because it takes less hp to operate it, over 200 I would say IRS with a bus box. To really confuse you I have a swingaxle transmission in my IRS car with 366 rwhp. Mike McCarthy

cjbolt051 Seriously Crusin Dubber

189 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#956898
Semi streatable... that is what i said 😂😂
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#956910
Ok, so it seems my early pan is the best option then.

Cheers to all 👍


13bwagon Officially Full-On Dubber

316 posts · joined Nov 2006 ·

#956912
early bug's are way cooler to 😀
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#956917
will be a 76 shell 😂


13bwagon Officially Full-On Dubber

316 posts · joined Nov 2006 ·

#956933
ok i see you must be desperate so run with it then 😀
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modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#956983
Craig Torrens wrote:will be a 76 shell 😂
If you're going swing axle, is a '76 shell a bit heavy, compared with a '60s shell?

hth
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#957009
You're probably right, but I have a spare 76 shell so I'm just going to use what I have laying around. 👍


whathaveidone Custom Title Time!

1,559 posts · joined Feb 2010 ·

#957011
will it be ready by the end of next month????

13bwagon Officially Full-On Dubber

316 posts · joined Nov 2006 ·

#957015
and what displacement will it be ?? 😀
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#957039
Probably 1908cc, and the car won't be ready for a while as I'm building another car before the drag bug.


Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#957052
Can't imagine you building a basic drag car Craig 🙂

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#957062
well ok, maybe a little bit above basic then 😁


cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#957070
What happened to the drag engine Stan built you Craig

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#957083
LOL, hardly a drag motor cnfabo !

My Stan motor has had major terminal issues.......do you want to buy some twin plug heads ?

I will start a build thread when it comes to the motor and car.

I'm looking forward to the sound of 48's and straight cut cam gears. 👍

Watch this cnfabo !


cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#957099
Craig Torrens wrote:My Stan motor has had major terminal issues.......do you want to buy some twin plug heads ? Me so broke....

I will start a build thread when it comes to the motor and car.

I'm looking forward to the sound of 48's and straight cut cam gears. 👍

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2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#957107
1908cc!! It's a couple of cc's shy of the magic number lol
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13bwagon Officially Full-On Dubber

316 posts · joined Nov 2006 ·

#957113
😘😘😘
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#957505
cnfabo wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:My Stan motor has had major terminal issues.......do you want to buy some twin plug heads ?

I will start a build thread when it comes to the motor and car.

I'm looking forward to the sound of 48's and straight cut cam gears. 👍
Me so broke....
Oh C'mon Chris, I'm sure you have loads of $$ laying around for VW parts !!


cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#957547
Nope, just bought our first house, lots to do that involves $$$$$$$$.
What was the terminal issues??

dragvw2180 Officially Full-On Dubber

393 posts · joined May 2006 ·

#958166
When I first read this post I automatically geared my mindset toward building a pure race car that could be improved as time went by into a full fledged race car , after reading it again I think a better choice would be to build a " Hot " street car that you can occasionally race . You already have a newer style body and if you are going to do more driving on the street than racing I would think about using the IRS pan. The car will ride smoother and can be made pretty durable costwise when you are on a tight budget . If you already have a single sidecover trans you ( at least over here ) probably have a 3.88 R/P and a 3.78 first gear, both of which are pretty tough if you keep your clutch setup reasonable pressure wise . There are some very talented transmission builders over there , seek one of them out and ask them about improving your transmission because it is the weakest link . With a bullet proof trans you can have alot of fun racing a lower HP engine without spending a fortune. The biggest differance between a 'RACE " car and a daily driver is one is parked in a spectator parking lot and the other is parked in the pit area, my point is " Run WHAT YA BRUNG ". I would bracket race and gain "experiance" and NOT get fixated on going faster. The mods I would do to the engine would be for durability ( 8 dowel crank ect...) and consistancy , not necessarily performance. I know how addictive speed is , hell I still need my fix once in awhile but it is really expensive . This is advice from an old man who made ALL the mistakes you are going to make if you decide to race. Have alot of fun, Mike McCarthy

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#965382
Thanks to all the drag racers that have sent emails etc with advice..........It seems the BJ/IRS gets the popularity vote from those in the know 🙂


fish26 Fahrvergnugen

903 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#965480
Lets build one of each, you BJ I swing, same weight, same engine......as an experiment with all second hand parts
bitten by the bug..........several times

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#965481
sounds good.........I have enough parts here to build about 4 of them lol


fish26 Fahrvergnugen

903 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#965512
so whats the plan on engines, 1776 unrestricted combination but must be NA and carb?
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#965516
This could be fun.....
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